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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by bitshiftfaced »

simion314 wrote: post #52
legitster wrote: post #31

I'm coming from a US perspective and trying to understand what is actually happening https://www.ifmetall.se/aktuellt/tesla/ Does IF Metall already represent all of Tesla's employees? Does that mean there are no active Tesla services in Sweden during the strike? If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agr…

>is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agreements? I am not sure, but it is ironic when the guys complaining about over regulation want to regulate a free market that worked well in those countries for so long. I did not seen that much support for Tesla in Europe communities so the US government would be needed to have any chance to force such regulations.

Seems to me that the core issue right now is that of Swedish regulation requiring Tesla to follow a license plate procedure, but then not providing any method for Tesla to follow that regulation and obtain the license plates.

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Post by danans »

klyrs wrote: post #343
wyager wrote: post #258

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Anyone know of an ETF that buys stocks excluded by activist funds?

If you wanna buy Budweiser stock, just buy it.

Hey, stop picking on Bud, they're going climate woke too:

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Post by gamblor956 »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #225
renewiltord wrote: post #174

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One must read the whole thing to understand it. If certain organizations can just choose to not do business with you and the de jure system says that the only way to get a legally required document is through those organizations, then those organizations are a proxy legal system. This does not seem particularly controversial to me. Yes, credit agencies and banking approximate such a proxy in the US but the limits of…

I can't legally drive without car insurance, and insurance companies can just decide not to do business with me. I can't get the service of TSA Pre without going through a private corporation that can easily decline to do business with me. Our national parks are largely run by (private) concessionaires. While I've never been banned from a national park, I bet I could be de facto banned from, say, Yosemite by pissing…

Almost everything you said is wrong, except the requirement to get car insurance. There will always be a car insurance company willing to do business with you, they'll simply charge you higher rates if you have no other options. (It's called "high risk" auto insurance.)

TSA Pre-check is operated by the federal government, but I assume you mean the LiveScan portion of the application process? That service is offered by both private companies and public agencies liked the DMV. The rest of the application process can be handled by the applicant, though you're also free to pay a private company to manage your application.

The national parks are run by the NPS. The concessions are run by concessionaires. If you piss off Aramark, you might not be able to buy anything from their restaurants...until you switch credit cards. But they have no control over banning you from the park because the NPS rangers control park entry. Also, concessionaires only operate some of the campgrounds in national parks; in Yosemite Aramark only operates the "lodging" facilities (i.e., hotels and the fancier tented campgrounds).

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Post by belltaco »

alexanderchr wrote: post #306
belltaco wrote: post #130

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> The only reason they have leverage is the law that gives Postnord a monopoly on delivering license plates Is that a law or an exclusive contract between the government and PostNord, given after bidding and a tender process as they call it in Europe and Asian countries? I think it's a contract, and contracts have exclusions in cases of forces majeures like strikes. Since the Transport Agency is required by law to pr…

Lots of guessing here. There is an exclusive contract between the Swedish state and the postal company. There is also a contract that forbids the plate manufacturer from sending plates by any other means than post. Transportstyrelsen does not agree that the current strike counts as a force majeure. This is (essentially) what the court case is about. Lower court agreed with you and allowed them to pick up plates thems…

> Transportstyrelsen does not agree that the current strike counts as a force majeure

That's interesting, I wonder what their reasoning is, I thought strikes were included in the definition of force majeure in the law.

> There is an exclusive contract between the Swedish state and the postal company. There is also a contract that forbids the plate manufacturer from sending plates by any other means than post.

Isn't there a law that states the transport agency must provide lawfully registered plates? Usually laws trump contracts.

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Post by martin8412 »

thegrim33 wrote: post #354
nemothekid wrote: post #265

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> I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government they could demand whatever the hell they wanted. When you zoom out and look at the actors involved, this isn't all that strange. This is a strike - if the citizens of a country don't want to do business with a certain entity isn't that how the government, ideally, should work? Citizens should be able to…

One union in Norway and one union in Denmark do not equal the "citizens" of Norway and Denmark.

They pretty much do in Denmark. It's the largest union that is in turn in union with the other large unions.

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Post by messe »

pb7 wrote: post #360
messe wrote: post #195

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On this side of the atlantic at least, the government tends to just mean the prime minister / head of government and their cabinet (and to an extent the associated political parties in charge).

Ok so what is a general term for your courts, your legislature, your bodies responsible for defense and foreign policy, your securities and banking, your monetary policy, etc? It's all government.

The state? Government just isn't used as a term for that here, except as an encroaching americanism.

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Post by martin8412 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #358
Moiman wrote: post #337

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It is illegal to fire employees who are participating in lawful strike.

I would classify striking and not delivering to a specific entity as different things. The latter is more easily able to be used for extortion. Similar to cops deciding not to police a region populated by a certain tribe. Or, in the same vein, over policing a certain region/tribe.

Well, your classification truly does not matter in the slightest. This is legal in the Nordics. You know how you make it illegal? By signing the CBA, which if you're already providing better terms, doesn't change anything.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #358
Moiman wrote: post #337

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It is illegal to fire employees who are participating in lawful strike.

I would classify striking and not delivering to a specific entity as different things. The latter is more easily able to be used for extortion. Similar to cops deciding not to police a region populated by a certain tribe. Or, in the same vein, over policing a certain region/tribe.

> Similar to cops deciding not to police a region populated by a certain tribe. Or, in the same vein, over policing a certain region/tribe.

You should have gone with firefighters.

Cops famously never act in solidarity with other workers. In fact, they actively work against workers' rights.

Cops "over policing", or more accurately, "targeting", most certainly violates certain fundamental rights. A mailman not delivering packages to some company offices does not.

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Post by throwawa14223 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #350
throwawa14223 wrote: post #328

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I see it as more than a semantic problem, but the problem does boil down to the membership. If they are the lawful structure I'll abide by their decisions, I just don't want to be forced to join.

So it’s exactly the same as a union, in a situation where the union is the lawful structure of worker bodies in the country you’re working in.

I hate the idea. I've been in a union once and will never willingly do that again, but it would be more palatable if they couldn't claim me as a 'member'.

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Post by [deleted] »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #358
Moiman wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is illegal to fire employees who are participating in lawful strike.

I would classify striking and not delivering to a specific entity as different things. The latter is more easily able to be used for extortion. Similar to cops deciding not to police a region populated by a certain tribe. Or, in the same vein, over policing a certain region/tribe.

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