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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by niemandhier »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #183
brightball wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, I honestly just hope the standoff continues because I want to see how many moves each side has. This is really interesting to watch as somebody who isn't affected by it directly. Government workers deciding not to provide services to specific entities or people they are in dispute with is a bridge that I can only assume should have some pretty serious consequences.

The sad truth is there is plenty of room for Musk to make things much worse. I imagine he can deny them SpaceX payloads. Starlink was just made available to them as well. He could throttle or deny their uplinks and downlinks.

I hope he does, it would seriously incentivise someone to build a competing service!

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by bee_rider »

gottorf wrote: post #46
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

That's wild! As a (pseudo-) government agency, it seems like the postal service shouldn't be legally allowed to pick and choose whose mail to deliver and whose to withhold.

I’m not sure what exactly the rules are in these foreign countries, but it doesn’t seem unbelievable that the state could end up bound by a contract with the union. In a good country, the state also follows rules and laws and makes contracts, after all.

Particularly, as you note, in the case of a pseudo-government agency like Postnord.

The only tricky bit, IMO, is the requirement that the plates must be delivered by Postnord. If it is a bit of law, it seems a little unfair that there should be a legal requirement to do business with Postnord.

I thought there’d been a story recently about some alternative arrangement where the plates were instead delivered to a dealership or something, and the people could pick them up… I wonder if that changed.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by henry2023 »

linusha wrote: post #182
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When have there been industry union strikes in Germany? And I don't mean of services like garbage collection, train or air travel.

Today, for example: https://www.igmetall.de/tarif/tarifrunden/eisen-und-stahl/wa...

Priceless

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

tshaddox wrote: post #122
yreg wrote: post #85

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I find it insane that the workers of the state-owned postal office can decide what mail to deliver based on their personal views. What's next, the mass transit drivers refusing to stop near Tesla's offices? Court workers refusing to accept Tesla's lawsuits? Firemen refusing to put out fire on Tesla's properties?

It’s a strike. How could the workers be prohibited from deciding whether to strike?

A strike is between a company and its workers, or maybe an industry and its workers. Postal employees, the fire department, transit employees, they don't work for Tesla.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by renewiltord »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #225
renewiltord wrote: post #174

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One must read the whole thing to understand it. If certain organizations can just choose to not do business with you and the de jure system says that the only way to get a legally required document is through those organizations, then those organizations are a proxy legal system. This does not seem particularly controversial to me. Yes, credit agencies and banking approximate such a proxy in the US but the limits of…

I can't legally drive without car insurance, and insurance companies can just decide not to do business with me. I can't get the service of TSA Pre without going through a private corporation that can easily decline to do business with me. Our national parks are largely run by (private) concessionaires. While I've never been banned from a national park, I bet I could be de facto banned from, say, Yosemite by pissing…

Right, but the state does not mandate you receive insurance from a single company. You could, should you do desire, set up your own insurance company. There are open regulations that can be obeyed by anyone.

TSA Precheck is administered by the TSA AFAIK, which is a DHS agency, not a private corporation. It's been a while since I signed up but IIRC it's run by the government.

I actually believe that if Aramark (I assume that's who you meant by Aeromark) didn't let you visit Yosemite and you legally are allowed to, you'd probably win against them in court (in contrast to what's happening in Sweden).

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by encom »

bee_rider wrote: post #186
s0l1dsnak3123 wrote: post #121

Maybe - just maybe - Tesla should just give in instead of destroying their brand in the Nordics, which is what they are doing. The workers are in charge, and they are also the ones buying Teslas (Yes Americans, in Sweden/Denmark/Norway Teslas are affordable enough for normal people who are in unions because they are paid correctly). Maybe it's a good idea not to destroy your entire market while also destroying the me…

Tesla already is going to have to shake off Musk’s odious personal rebranding, I think they are in really tough shape branding-wise. Add in the poor build quality rumors… I dunno, I’m actually shocked that none of the more established brands have taken over the electrics market.

Tesla feels like the Apple of cars in the worst way. Perceived as a hip luxury item by many, when it's far from it, and much better quality options exist. Let's hope their reality distortion field doesn't last as long as Apples has.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by robertlagrant »

thecopy wrote: post #246
robertlagrant wrote: post #159

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They've laid it out pretty well. A strike is downing tools and not showing up to work. Not doing your work, but neglecting certain customers.

…according to you:) This is a so called sympathy strike: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_action

The only example of this exact thing in there is...the exact thing against Tesla we're talking about. Everything else is striking against a related company to one's employer's company.

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Post by wyager »

mfi wrote: post #117

> "In the light of the conflict now spreading to Denmark as well as Tesla's recent very categorical refusal to enter a labour union agreement in any country, we have come to the conclusion that we as investors at present hardly can influence the company," the pension fund said in an emailed statement. ... That is why we're now putting Tesla on our exclusion list, ..." PensionDanmark, one of Denmark's largest pension…

Anyone know of an ETF that buys stocks excluded by activist funds?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by BobaFloutist »

throwawa14223 wrote: post #35
ajkjk wrote: post #17

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Striking should be ubiquitous; employees should be in unions by default with no voting required.

Why would you abridge my freedom of association by forcing me to be part of a group I have no desire to join?

Because it benefits the public good, the same way you're forced to be part of any country, state, city you reside in.

Also freedom of association is very clearly intended as freedom to associate, not freedom not to associate, so it's a little confusing for you to refer to it.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by robertlagrant »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #202
robertlagrant wrote: post #150

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But it's not a sympathetic strike. They're refusing to deliver Tesla's mail. They aren't striking against their employer.

> it's not a sympathetic strike...They aren't striking against their employer. You're defining a sympathetic strike. I don't have a view on whether this is justified. What I'll contest is that it was unforeseeable. It was obvious a refusal to negotiate would infuriate--it's happened dozens of times, almost always with American companies, and it's close to an element of national and regional pride at this point. It wa…

Probably, yes they should. Clearly Elon Musk has never seen The Godfather!
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