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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by actionfromafar »

redandblack wrote: post #88
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

I hope Elon gets the license plates delivered by courier, which really cannot be that expensive. Then the unions have to figure out their next steps. Get your popcorn

That card was attempted to be played and found illegal the first 5 minutes of this interesting tangle between Tesla and unions. :-)

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by riversflow »

bayindirh wrote: post #80
gottorf wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. A "private company" that is fully owned by the government is private company in name only; hence my calling it a pseudo-government agency. Especially for a legally-privileged function that is serving postal mail.

Doesn’t matter. Even when you’re fully owned by a government, unionization allows you to do this. This is what unionization is, protects the worker regardless of your employer.

We should unioninze the military.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

Allowing the government owned post office to pick and choose who gets mail just seems like a step too far.

But even then the court wasn't forcing them to deliver mail, just allowing that mail to be picked up. And now that's blocked?

I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government they could demand whatever the hell they wanted. Your choice is to leave the country or agree to the demands of the postal service.

People hate tesla and Musk right now so they'll by and large support this, but eventually the post office will realize how much power they weild and use it for some other gain.

And how is this not similar to the post office choosing not to deliver tax documents, forcing an entity to eventually become delinquent? The government agency responsible for sending license plates only uses the government owned mail provider (makes sense) but that provider can pick and choose who it delivers mail to?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

#104

Post by JumpCrisscross »

robertlagrant wrote: post #98
bayindirh wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t matter. Even when you’re fully owned by a government, unionization allows you to do this. This is what unionization is, protects the worker regardless of your employer.

Unionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer. This seems really inappropriate.

> Unionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer.

That's what Tesla's employees are doing.

The point of a sympathetic strike is so that a small country's workforce can stand up to the likes of Tesla. Tesla can always withdraw from the Nordic market if they don't like the rules (which never changed). They don't want to do that because there is something there worth negotiating for.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

#105

Post by beaeglebeach »

typon wrote: post #48
appleskeptic wrote: post #2

Striking should be legal, but firing employees for striking should also be legal.

Accumulating obscene amounts of capital should be legal, but using the guillotine on those people should also be legal

This should be allowed from time to time so the prols can see what a spectacularly bad idea this is and taste the fruit of their impoverished ideologies.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by eddtries »

capitalism22 wrote: post #34

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You’re talking about countries that constantly rank top 10 for all the metrics that matter (happiness, innovation, education, healthcare, etc). And this has been a model used in practice for a hundred years. It’s why there’s so many stable old companies in the Nordics.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

#107

Post by kryptiskt »

gottorf wrote: post #70
Hikikomori wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework it would be an illegal strike. And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees.

> the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. A "private company" that is fully owned by the government is private company in name only; hence my calling it a pseudo-government agency. Especially for a legally-privileged function that is serving postal mail.

Postnord is a bit of a red herring. If the tender to distribute the registration plates had gone to UPS instead, Tesla would have had exactly the same problem with UPS workers.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

#108

Post by renewiltord »

actionfromafar wrote: post #69
renewiltord wrote: post #58

It's quite interesting. They have proxy legal systems in these countries: the unions. Since the union "strikes" are not the same as traditional strikes that I know of, they can sustain the strike much longer. Rather than strikes where workers don't work and don't get paid (and must be compensated from union dues), these strikes involve the majority of workers continuing to work and just shunning one or two companies…

The workers are compensated from union dues. If the unions hired crime lords, don't you think the companies could hire crime lords, too?

One does not hire a crime lord. The crime lord is your boss. Like in the US, where labour unions were notoriously controlled by violent criminals who used them successfully to extract surplus value that people could create.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by oldpersonintx »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #78
capitalism22 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on these events, Sweden absolutely will lose out on billions of FDI. Actions have consequences.

> Sweden absolutely will lose out on billions of FDI. Actions have consequences. Zero precedent for this. Scandinavia has had the same economic model since WWII. There is a pattern of foreign companies naïvely blundering into it. But that has never changed that it's a valuable ( i.e. wealthy, capitalist and early adopting) beachhead into Europe, from America, and the West, from Asia. This fight Tesla got itself into…

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