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Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by ghaff »

scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

Someone I know argued a number of years back that Napster was about convenience not price.

I disagreed at the time. And I still think that's too blunt a statement for the population as a whole. But the popularity of streaming music services in particular does suggest there's definitely a lot of truth to it for many people at the right price point.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by baggachipz »

Loughla wrote: post #99
tamarlikesdata wrote: post #51

It's a loud wake-up call to the media industry. The high piracy rates reflect a public rebellion against restrictive access and high costs of content. This situation is less about breaking the law and more about demanding a fairer, more accessible media landscape. It's high time for a major overhaul of how we view copyright and content distribution in the digital age.

We have come back around to the reason that Netflix was so popular when it started. Too many walled gardens and exclusive content locked behind too high of a price. We had cable, people hated it so they "cut the cable" and media companies just changed where that cable was plugged into homes. Now instead of cable/satellite services, it's just streaming. But the outcome is the same. It's a mess. And as always, instead…

> Now instead of cable/satellite services, it's just streaming. But the outcome is the same.

It's even worse. Instead of having everything in one place, we have to guess which streaming app has what we want, navigate to it, and use its proprietary interface to find the content. A major leap backwards in user experience.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by me_me_me »

nicolaslem wrote: post #116
al_borland wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Price is part of it, and paying customers should never have a worse experience than those getting something for free. With DRM, activation severs that can be shut down, exclusivity deals, and fragmentation of marketplaces… paying customers often get a worse experience.

I wish Valve used their weight to cut down on the DRM, online activation and micro-transaction bullshit.

Not many mention it, but it was valve who invented loot boxes and keys (TF2) and season passes (DotA2) they have item market place.

They had original steam drm that people railed against at the begining.

Valve and Gabe are not the second coming people make them to be. They are the least shitty maybe, but man... the bar is really low at this stage.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

Solim wrote: post #41

It would be even more popular if the new generations were more tech savvy. Kids growing up with iphones do not have computers and a huge percentage that do, doesn't know how to use torrents, vpn, proxys etc.

My daughter at age eight or nine, all on her lonesome, worked out where she could stream episodes of Miraculous Ladybug online. Which then evolved to Brooklyn 99 as she got a bit older.

No subs, no sign up, I had no idea for a long time. She had no concept of what was legal, illegal or copyright, she just went a found what she wanted to watch.

She'll be alright I reckon.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by pbronez »

ghaff wrote: post #144
hoosieree wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paid streamed content should do something like mobile virtual network operators, so people can pay for what they use. Currently only piracy provides this service, and paid content services are choosing legislation over competition. The established players really should be working on this, because it's only a matter of time before some pirate service turns legit and eats all their lunches.

You can buy/rent streaming content a la carte in many cases (modulo exclusives to a streaming service). Given the prevalence of all you can eat streaming, I think many people forget this.

Yeah Apple rentals are a pretty reliable backstop for holes in streaming catalogs.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by ponderings »

If people would pay for these the economy would grow by 1-2 Trillion! Sadly "4 in 10 US adults say they have no disposable income" and there are about half a million films. Say 1000 are worth watching depending on interests. Works out to about 0 per movie. They could also not watch any. A sensible goal if you ask me, unrealistic of course but we can afford to be ambitious with other peoples money.

They also wanted to read books, listen to music, read scientific publications.. preposterous! Who do these people think they are?

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by ghaff »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #107
elashri wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real here means only that these numbers are adjusted for inflation. It does not change the fact that they are a poor measure for cost of living.

I don't agree with GP's original point (also afaik US minimum wage hasn't increased), but the way inflation is measured is with a basket of common goods that serve as proxy for "cost of living". If cost of living, the number in dollars, went up, it means prices rose, which means there was inflation. Maybe it wasn't measured "correctly" (the basket of goods isn't reflective of what people actually need to live), but i…

The problem with looking at streaming service pricing in the context of inflation is that a lot of people have also dropped their cable TV subscriptions. I probably subscribe to too many streaming services but I'm still paying half of what I was paying for just cable TV alone.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by me_me_me »

ghaff wrote: post #151
scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

Someone I know argued a number of years back that Napster was about convenience not price. I disagreed at the time. And I still think that's too blunt a statement for the population as a whole. But the popularity of streaming music services in particular does suggest there's definitely a lot of truth to it for many people at the right price point.

when you are young you have a lot of time and not a lot of money. Naturally attracted to piracy.

When you are an adult you have more money then time. Naturally attracted to just buy it as its the easiest.

You might never be able to root out piracy amongst the young people and if you do they will not pay since they cannot afford it. But doing so will make your service less convenient for everyone. So you gained no extra profit but made service worse for everyone else.

But now adults who would be happy to pay are inconvenienced by all the shit you throw at them, to the point they might go back to piracy as more convenient option.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by bluescrn »

dstick wrote: post #2

> For years, consumers griped about cable bundling and having to pay high prices for hundreds of channels they never watched in order to get the handful they enjoyed. Despite the growing availability of legal streaming options since then, piracy statistics show that infringement has remained a real concern. That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. "…

Streaming services have fragmented, increased prices, and fought back against account sharing at a bad time, too - as inflation and cost-of-living have skyrocketed.

Need to save some money? - First thing to cut back on is entertainment-related subscriptions.

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