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Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by ajross »

tsukikage wrote: post #48
ajross wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and cost of living biting hard for the average person This is a meme that won't die. This is simply false. Real wages, real per capita GDP, real median income et. al. are all higher now than before covid. There was a 13 month burst of inflation (which correlated almost perfectly with wage growth, FWIW), and it seems like everyone lost their minds.

> This is a meme that won't die. This is simply false. My weekly shopping bill begs to differ.

Then you are particularly unlucky in that your salary didn't keep up with inflation. It did (and more) for everyone else, on average. Check the FRED links I posted elsehwere in this subthread. If you don't believe in economics, why bother to make an economic point?

It's really upsetting to me to watch this notionally rationalist community descend into this kind of memery.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by quadrifoliate »

ajross wrote: post #13
Xiol32 wrote: post #7

Is this really surprising? When it was just Netflix charging a few dollars a month for loads of content, it was great. It was easier than safer than pirating, and people turned to it in droves. Now content is spread over dozens of streaming services, with price rises happening annually and cost of living biting hard for the average person. Most of the time, you only want a handful of shows from a given service anyway…

> and cost of living biting hard for the average person This is a meme that won't die. This is simply false. Real wages, real per capita GDP, real median income et. al. are all higher now than before covid. There was a 13 month burst of inflation (which correlated almost perfectly with wage growth, FWIW), and it seems like everyone lost their minds.

In 2020, the price of a Netflix standard plan was $13. Now it's $16. That's a 23% increase. The "premium" (why 4k is premium in 2023 beats me, but okay) plan has gone up 43%, from $16 to $23. [1]

Has your salary gone up 20-40% since 2020? Mine has gone up, but at less than 20%. And Netflix is only one of the costs, groceries and food seem to have gone up by ridiculous amounts like 50% or so.

That's why the cost of living bites hard. Sure, incomes have gone up. Prices seem to have gone up more. I fail to see how this is a meme.

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[1] Source: https://flixed.io/netflix-price-hikes

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by TremendousJudge »

pier25 wrote: post #72
dstick wrote: post #2

> For years, consumers griped about cable bundling and having to pay high prices for hundreds of channels they never watched in order to get the handful they enjoyed. Despite the growing availability of legal streaming options since then, piracy statistics show that infringement has remained a real concern. That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. "…

On top of that, the services do crap like not offering 4k hdr versions of modern content. In Netflix all third party films are offered in caveman 1080p sdr. In Prime and HBO it's similar.

And good luck trying to figure out what hardware you need to have in order to actually get the high-bitrate version of the video.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by bogwog »

figmert wrote: post #12

> Internet piracy isn’t ethically justifiable Is it not? What about when a company like Sony pulls millions of purchased digital content without a refund? What about when discovery pulls a whole lot of content so they can write it off? What about when companies push for digital only releases without a way to physically own the content? No, piracy isn't just ethical, it is the only way one can ensure they actually own…

It's the only thing that keeps intellectual property in check. Without the option, publishers just have a legal monopoly. When piracy increases, it means consumers are unhappy.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by TremendousJudge »

zxt_tzx wrote: post #85
figmert wrote: post #12

> Internet piracy isn’t ethically justifiable Is it not? What about when a company like Sony pulls millions of purchased digital content without a refund? What about when discovery pulls a whole lot of content so they can write it off? What about when companies push for digital only releases without a way to physically own the content? No, piracy isn't just ethical, it is the only way one can ensure they actually own…

To spell out what I think you're saying, the way to be ethical and have ownership is to pay for the content and then download a version of it so that you both supported the creator and have a copy of what you paid for.

But then you're a criminal anyway?

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by otikik »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #45
scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

There are also some weird decisions made by content owners. For example: Star Trek Strange New Worlds is available in my country on SkyShowtime, but only in 1080p SDR. This is a relatively new streaming service that only launched last year, yet they do not support 4k or HDR. The same series is available through 'alternative sources' in 4k HDR. I have no idea why they would not offer it in 4k, it's not a licensing iss…

I know people who programmed an app for controlling this kind of thing- licensing agreements for video content on streaming platforms. The “period” entity was a huge monster with many fields. Resolution amongst them.

> why they would not offer it in 4k

That’s because the other license was either too pricey, or simply unavailable (another platform might have purchased exclusivity for that show in 4k in your area)

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by Loughla »

tamarlikesdata wrote: post #51

It's a loud wake-up call to the media industry. The high piracy rates reflect a public rebellion against restrictive access and high costs of content. This situation is less about breaking the law and more about demanding a fairer, more accessible media landscape. It's high time for a major overhaul of how we view copyright and content distribution in the digital age.

We have come back around to the reason that Netflix was so popular when it started. Too many walled gardens and exclusive content locked behind too high of a price.

We had cable, people hated it so they "cut the cable" and media companies just changed where that cable was plugged into homes. Now instead of cable/satellite services, it's just streaming. But the outcome is the same.

It's a mess. And as always, instead of looking for effective solutions, media is trying to guilt people into paying for their services.

Is it time for Netflix 2.0? If so, what does that look like now that every company is trying to sustain their own streaming service? Is it a small box that you attach to your TV that brings all of these disparate services together in one easy to use location?

Are we just seeing the long game of trying to get people to sign back up for cable and satellite?

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by ghaff »

voisin wrote: post #34
jampekka wrote: post #3

> Internet piracy isn’t ethically justifiable, but it is convenient. Intellectual property isn't ethically justifiable, but it is convenient for some. > Illegal downloading of copyrighted materials takes up 24% of the global bandwidth. In many (most?) jurisdictions downloading material is not illegal. Have these been subtracted from this figure, or is this yet another lie? Given the history of this propaganda, I'm qu…

> Illegal downloading of copyrighted materials takes up 24% of the global bandwidth. This seems shockingly high. I wonder how different this is geographically. I would think streaming via Netflix and others, YouTube, Twitch, etc would have shrunk illegal streaming to a much smaller percentage of the total.

I'm sure it varies a lot geographically. In the US, I expect the bulk is streaming services as you say. While I'm sure there are many outliers on a forum like this, most people subscribe to a few services and watch what's available. I know I do. I'll rarely look for something elsewhere if I can't easily get it via streaming (whether subscription or a la carte).

I have no particular insight into the global situation but certainly availability is patchier and incomes are often lower.

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