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Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by zxt_tzx »

dstick wrote: post #2

> For years, consumers griped about cable bundling and having to pay high prices for hundreds of channels they never watched in order to get the handful they enjoyed. Despite the growing availability of legal streaming options since then, piracy statistics show that infringement has remained a real concern. That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. "…

I think it's interesting to contrast this with music. Music is dominated by a few big labels, which makes it very easy for each provider (Spotify, Apple Music etc.) to provide a complete catalogue and thus convenience. (Though this does mean Spotify's unit economics are much worse, partially explaining the foray into podcasts and recent layoffs etc.)

Furthermore, whereas we hardly rewatch the same movies, we constantly re-listen to the same music we first encountered in our adolescence (nobody can convince me that the 90s is not the pinnacle of pop music). This makes things like playlists a lot more valuable and sticky.

I am not particularly ideological about copyright/piracy one way or another, but I know I probably won't be pirating music anytime soon.

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Post by pier25 »

dstick wrote: post #2

> For years, consumers griped about cable bundling and having to pay high prices for hundreds of channels they never watched in order to get the handful they enjoyed. Despite the growing availability of legal streaming options since then, piracy statistics show that infringement has remained a real concern. That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. "…

On top of that, the services do crap like not offering 4k hdr versions of modern content.

In Netflix all third party films are offered in caveman 1080p sdr. In Prime and HBO it's similar.

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Post by neilsimp1 »

leetrout wrote: post #6

> Digital video piracy is costing the US economy between $29.2 and $71 billion each year. ... > This number surely affects the US economy in terms of lost movie industry revenue as well as lost jobs and tax revenue. So no facts to back this up that I saw. Some amount of piracy is uncountable because the user never would have bought the media anyway.

I cannot agree with your point more.

I pirate a decent amount of media. If piracy was not an option, I would simply live without the TV/Movies I download.

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Post by elashri »

ajross wrote: post #50
polygamous_bat wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Real wages, real per capita GDP, real median income et. al. are all higher now than before covid. You literally said nothing about cost of living here?

I literally did? That's what "real" means: having more real wages means you can buy more stuff. It's already adjusted for price rises. Check out FRED if you don't believe me: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A939RX0Q048SBEA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N You and the upthread commenter are just citing a meme. It is not true. Period.

Real here means only that these numbers are adjusted for inflation. It does not change the fact that they are a poor measure for cost of living.

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Post by casperb »

I don’t like the frame of “it costs the economy X billion”. Without piracy people would not have bought it. It is not a cost.

Maybe “street value” would be a better term? If it was payed for, it would have the value of X billion. But it costs nothing.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

DeathArrow wrote: post #57
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I had a way to quantify it, but it also seems like _investment_ has skyrocketed. 20 years ago HBO might make a high quality, high budget show. Now we have shows like the Marvel TV Shows, Wheel of Time, Foundation, House of the Dragon, the Mandalorian, Rings of Power, etc.. that all have MASSIVE budgets. A lot of that was funded by free money, but I think the quality and expectation of TV shows has gone up quit…

What if you aren't into sci-fi and fantasy?

Then it should be even better, because more mainstream interests means consuming media with more investment behind them.

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Post by azzentys »

Veuxdo wrote: post #28
baka367 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with Gabe here. I basically stopped pirating games once I could add something that I like to my collection during steam sale for a nice discount instead of waiting for days for whatever service to ship it. I can also return it if I end up not lilinkg it, not like with a physical copy.

Many others didn't. Steam games are widely pirated.

This is true. I think I stopped pirating games - as soon as I could afford Steam games. Only rarely pirate games to "try" them out - then buy it on Steam. It also helps that they've gotten easy to run on Linux.
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