Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade • Hacker News Board

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by fl7305 » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 1:18 PM UTC

shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote: post #326

fl7305 wrote: post #298

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And if we divide Sweden into southern/middle/northern, Stockholm would still end up in the southern part. ChatGPT: "Stockholm lies approximately 28.87% of the way north when considering the span from the southernmost to the northernmost points of Sweden's municipalities, based on latitude."

I never expected to have to argue with a ChatGPT prompt, lol. Swedes do not care about your conclusions as we still won't claim Stockholm is in the southern Sweden.

E' du go eller? I am 100% Swedish. Men absolut inte en 08 / Tjockhultare, har i princip bara varit i Stockholm när jag gick högvakten.

Again, reading your comments it looks like you're translating Swedish words directly to English ("Sydsverige" -> "Southern Sweden"). But they are not the same, right?

And I didn't just ask ChatGPT for a number.

I used ChatGPT Python data analysis to process official SCB datafiles with the population count and geographical locations for the 290 municipalities ("kommuner") in Sweden.

They were sorted in increasing latitude (south -> north). The population count for each municipality was accumulated until it reached 80% of the total Swedish population.

The municipality where the 80% threshold was crossed turned out to be Västerås.

That means that my claim "Southern Sweden with 80% of the Swedish population" is correct. You don't have to go that far north (32%) before you've covered 80% of the Swedish population.

Where do you think the 80% threshold lies?

Source data:

    https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/regional-statistik-och-kartor/regionala-indelningar/digitala-granser/

    https://www.statistikdatabasen.scb.se/pxweb/sv/ssd/START__BE__BE0101__BE0101A/BefolkningNy/

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by fl7305 » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 1:20 PM UTC

pastage wrote: post #329

fl7305 wrote: post #297

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Dang it, I got nerdsniped ( https://xkcd.com/356/ ). With the help of ChatGPT, I crossreferenced two lists of all municipalities (kommuner) in Sweden to place them in an increasing latitude order (south->north), and calculated where the 80% population threshold lies. The answer is Västerås, which is a bit north of Stockholm. It is only 31.7% of the distance to the northernmost point in Sweden. So 80% of Sweden's popu…

I will resist this nerdsnipe. I know there is a population density map as well I think the 250m squares is freely available. So we could make a slider from Ystad to Treriksröset from 0% to 100% would make a good progress bar.

Come to the nerd side, we have cookies...

Source data:

    https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/regional-statistik-och-kartor/regionala-indelningar/digitala-granser/

    https://www.statistikdatabasen.scb.se/pxweb/sv/ssd/START__BE__BE0101__BE0101A/BefolkningNy/

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by fl7305 » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 1:23 PM UTC

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #239

mrweasel wrote: post #215

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They are not, surprisingly. I guess the reasoning is that during a normal winter they are required for maybe a few weeks. Many won't switch because they either don't want to pay for a second set of tires, or because it hurt fuel economy for most of the winter. All year tires are also somewhat popular, but they don't work as well in snow. You could probably get a fine for driving without them if the weather makes it u…

>They are not, surprisingly. That's absolutely insane. One would think the Nordics would be a bit morse sensible on this. Here in Austria they are mandatory between November and April even if you live in places that don't see much snow. Yeah, it's an added expense and PITA but when the snow does come it's overall way safer.

> Here in Austria they are mandatory between November and April even if you live in places that don't see much snow.

That does not seem to be correct:

"Die Winterreifenpflicht gilt für Pkw und Lkw bis 3,5 t nur bei winterlichen Fahrbahnverhältnissen und nur dann, wenn auch gefahren wird."

https://www.oesterreich.gv.at/themen/freizeit_und_strassenve...

That wording looks to be the same as for Denmark and Sweden?

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by pastage » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 1:42 PM UTC

fl7305 wrote: post #301

CogitoCogito wrote: post #279

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“The Nordics” isn’t a single government so it’s weird to group them like this. Denmark, Sweden and Norway get very different amounts of snowfall so it’s unsurprising they don’t have all the same policies.

Turns out the law is the same in Denmark and Sweden for this.

There are no regulations in Denmark, but driving recklessly is easy to do without winter tires.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by avgcorrection » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 3:34 PM UTC

waihtis wrote: post #314

avgcorrection wrote: post #305

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Congratulations, you have no idea what worker-owned+governed businesses are.

Ah, the preferred company structure of all economic juggernauts, such as Venezuela.

So first you sarcastically deride worker-governed companies as being a reinvention of entreneurship (capitalist). Then you deride it as being like “Venezuela” (socialist bogeyman). I can’t make heads or tails of this.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 3:39 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #55

marricks wrote: post #40

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MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

> MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company to goose his number of views. > He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about. If that were true, then why consciously piss so many people off?

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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 3:41 PM UTC

eddtries wrote: post #172

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #145

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I think you do not understand the basic fact that the people peeing in bottles are not working there against their will. As bad as it may be or sound, people choose to voluntarily work there. But sure, go fight your fight with the megalomaniac...

People don't really choose to work, we work because we need to afford food and get health care and rent housing etc. If you live in a town where the job you can get is at Amazon then you don't really "voluntarily" work there, and considering it's pretty simple stuff that hires anyone this is probably the case.

> People don't really choose to work, we work because we need to afford food and get health care and rent housing

Almost everyone on HN can live to standards that would have been between comfortable and luxurious a hundred years ago, possibly even in a developed country. (The median world wage--assuming a 40-hour work week with 2 weeks off, which is not the median working schedule--is $5/day [1].)

This doesn't undermine the struggle. Just that there is, to varying degrees (but increasingly so among anyone in tech), a choice being made.

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/166211/worldwide-median-househo...

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by artursapek » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 3:41 PM UTC

marricks wrote: post #40

andsoitis wrote: post #34

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> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advert…

MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

Remember when he wedged himself into that Thai cave rescue mission, and talked shit about one of the divers on Twitter? Yeah, that was definitive proof that the man is an attention addict. It's sad because he's a brilliant businessman.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 3:45 PM UTC

derelicta wrote: post #321

waihtis wrote: post #315

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No, just entrepreneurship with many equal shareholders. Unless you start demanding for special treatment and exclusion from market forces, which is usually what the communists are actually after

You just invented cooperatives. Which is indeed a significant part of what communists wish to achieve. Now you gotta wonder: is workplace democracy such a bad thing?

> is workplace democracy such a bad thing?

Yes, they're called committees. They're wildly inefficient for fundamental reasons [1]. We tolerate them in government, because when it comes to the state, we've learned that being consistently right is more important than being efficient. That's not the case in commerce.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_firm

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by lelanthran » Thu, Dec 07, 2023, 4:05 PM UTC

pastage wrote: post #328

lelanthran wrote: post #259

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> As software developers we should do the same when we are asked to take part on building harfull shit, as an individual we have no power, if I refuse someone else will be paid to do it but as a union we could do some good Who gets to decide what is harmful and what is not? Me? You? Your proposal won't go anywhere because you won't agree with others on what is harmful and what is not.

That is an age old debate in unions, how to agree on what to fight for. It means that things have to get bad for many before unions organize on big new issues. Feminist issues is a good example it has almost always been up to the women to fight for that, unions have been in the back seat on most of these issues until support was well above 50% in their ranks.

> That is an age old debate in unions, how to agree on what to fight for.

That's not what the poster I replied to was arguing - they were arguing for developers to all agree not to develop harmful (to the consumer) products.

That is not what unions do. Unions are not known for acting in the customers best interest. They are a workers collective, not a consumer advocacy group.