Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

svt.se

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

251–260 of 371 posts

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#251

Post by stiray »

edgyquant wrote: post #177
stiray wrote: post #127

I think that whole thing is just a huge misunderstanding of elmu thinking that whole world works like USA. And even in USA, union members in average earn 18% more than others. On the other side, strike and unionizing is one of basic workers rights here and you just don't fight unions in EU. As you will be losing more money than if you get to an agreement with them. When elmu started his crusade against unions, I was…

Are you referring to Elon as Elmo? Is this some new cringe term on Reddit ive yet to hear?

Relax, elmu is just easier to read and write.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#252

Post by capableweb »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #228
capableweb wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly you measure when you measure "amount of people X by almost X trillion dollars"? How did you manage to arrive at a number that supposedly means productivity of individual employees?

I compared the whole of the EU with the whole of the US in terms of people and GDP and it the numbers say the US is performing better than the EU with a third less people. I'm measuring the success of the US economic model with the EU economic model and the US one is winning by a lot.

So you mean that GDP is a measurement of the productivity of employees?

And you're measuring "success" of a economic model just based on how it increases GDP? What about lowly things like "life expectancy" or other things related to, you know, actual human lives?

I knew USAians were "corporate and financials"-horny but this takes it to a whole other level.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#253

Post by stiray »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #155
holgerschurig wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, then you completely misunderstanding things. It's not about joining, not at all. Actually what they ask for changes things for all employees of an industry (e.g. cars, or generally metal), not just for unionized workers. So let me explain on this, as european union culture is VERY different from US union culture. In Europe a lot of countries have a system of "Tarifvertrag" ("tarrif contract", but really "collec…

> The effect of this is visible, e.g. when you look at efficiency of e.g. german workers compared to their US counterparts. Can you please then explain to me how ~ 332mm people in the US are more productive than ~448mm people in the EU by almost 5 trillion dollars if the Americans are less efficient?

It is simple, US south was also more productive before 13th amendment to USA constitution in 1865.

In EU we try very hard not to bet our economy well-being on slave workforce - and we are not very good at that (Spain / south Italy vegetables production) but we still didn't slave the whole continent for corporation goals.

In USA, most of workforce are slaves to their corroborative/stock masters.

Don't get a nudge to protest. It is OK with me, it was your choice, not mine. On the other hand, I will rather leave to China then go working for USA slave system, even if I would be able to have a few Mexican slaves for me. I know it is my problem, I just don't believe in slavery. Sorry its about having ethics, parents raised me wrong /s.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#255

Post by 0xDEF »

mathverse wrote: post #21
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #3

I would love to see an EU wide movement.

Would not happen. Musk should have established the factory in EE where the local labor would bend over to him.

Eastern Europe is politically unstable. Just look at Poland and Hungary.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#257

Post by yreg »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #198
yreg wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a European working in a country with strong labour laws. But I wouldn't want a specific union to have a monopoly over my entire country and in case I don't want them to they shouldn't meddle with my work. And to be honest I believe that the state postal workers should have absolutely no say on whether someone gets their mail delivered.

> state postal workers Actually they are no longer state postal workers. PostNord is owned by the Swedish and Danish states but it is not a part of the state as post offices used to be, it's no longer the Royal Mail.

I don't understand the difference.

When a company is 100% state-owned and state-run then it is a public institution. The special thing here is that Sweden and Denmark share it.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#258

Post by avgcorrection »

fallingknife wrote: post #246
avgcorrection wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Legally that seems a bit crazy that shipping company workers can select what gets shipped based on their political beliefs. Brother/Sister, a strike can in principle be done for any reason.

Which has the problem of striking for the reason that company X paid the transport union to not deliver products for competitor company Y, so that's why usually laws limit that principle.

I would have thought that such “corrupt unions” snipes would be off-topic here but you do you.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#259

Post by lelanthran »

simion314 wrote: post #104
contrarian1234 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't sound like a strike at all. They presumably are still working and getting paid their wages Legally that seems a bit crazy that shipping company workers can select what gets shipped based on their political beliefs. Next the power utility company workers are going to refuse to give Tesla electricity

>It sets a scary precedent. They in effect hold disproportionate power and can affect whole sectors of the economy to force whatever they want done Sweden seems to have low regulation, no minimum wages so is a perfect place for an american company to take advantage, unless the peasants use their rights to strike then the billionaires are demanding regulations. As software developers we should do the same when we are…

> As software developers we should do the same when we are asked to take part on building harfull shit, as an individual we have no power, if I refuse someone else will be paid to do it but as a union we could do some good

Who gets to decide what is harmful and what is not?

Me? You?

Your proposal won't go anywhere because you won't agree with others on what is harmful and what is not.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#260

Post by kristofferR »

yreg wrote: post #257
kwhitefoot wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> state postal workers Actually they are no longer state postal workers. PostNord is owned by the Swedish and Danish states but it is not a part of the state as post offices used to be, it's no longer the Royal Mail.

I don't understand the difference. When a company is 100% state-owned and state-run then it is a public institution. The special thing here is that Sweden and Denmark share it.

It's not state-run though, it's a normal private company, just one where the governments own all the shares.

They are still profit driven, like most state-owned companies in Scandinavia.

Post reply on HN