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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by eddtries »

piva00 wrote: post #218
hinkley wrote: post #204

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What is the point of a union without collective bargaining is what I want to know. It sounds like what anti union people like to portray them as. A tax on employees and nepotism.

I'm part of a union in Sweden and my employer does not have a CBA, I get from my union: income insurance (up to 12 months covering 90% of my current salary), access to free consultation with lawyers, discounts on a few services (even driving schools), and a few other benefits. It's not a tax on employees, I consider it a quite cheap insurance.

Yep. The main reason I joined a union was for unemployment insurance. If I lose a job I get 80% of my salary for 6 months. I also get discounted home/personal insurance and better mortgage rates. Once you include standard employer perks and you get a pretty decent quality of life without government intervention.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #233
archagon wrote: post #161

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For the most part, nobody is working anywhere against their will. Does that mean unions are pointless?

Yes. I dislike the idea of unions with all my heart. I don't understand why a competent person needs to be a member of a union.

It's a bargaining power thing. A group of individuals (like a company) has more bargaining power than an single individual. You can balance this out by eg. forming a second group of individuals who also collectively have more bargaining power (a union).

Now don't try to tell me that bargaining power isn't a thing. With more bargaining power you can often get better deals!

Note that Unions work very differently across different parts of the world. So your local union might be very different from ones that I've experienced.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #213
KeplerBoy wrote: post #181

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You don't need swedish truckers though. Polish or German truckers will happily deliver your stuff to Sweden.

At a higher cost most likely.

Or a lower cost. Aren't Polish tuckers generally paid less than Swedish ones?

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

holgerschurig wrote: post #119
epolanski wrote: post #12

From what I understand the strikers aren't asking for more money or anything specific other than Tesla to honor collective bargaining with unions Tesla cannot have different deals with different shops, has to respect what it agrees with unions.

German news media clearly say that it's not about DIRECT asking for more money. In Europe a lot of countries have a system of "Tarifvertrag" ("tarrif contract", but really "collective agreement"). In such contracts the workers union of a section (e.g. metal) do a contract with the business union of the employers. They settle then down to "give 28 days of holidays and x EUR per month to each" ... and then they won't s…

> , as many US brainwashed business people

Isn't Musk actually born South African? Then he became Canadian and lastly American? Not that it makes much of a difference, I just find it odd as labelling him as US brainwashed when canonically, his origin isn't the US.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

ChatGTP wrote: post #187
edgyquant wrote: post #177

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Are you referring to Elon as Elmo? Is this some new cringe term on Reddit ive yet to hear?

Is is writing Elmu, which seems a short way of writing "Elon Musk", which is kind of getting tiring to read or (I guess) write.

It's a new level of fame when you get your own internet initialism!

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by fallingknife »

avgcorrection wrote: post #153
contrarian1234 wrote: post #73

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That doesn't sound like a strike at all. They presumably are still working and getting paid their wages Legally that seems a bit crazy that shipping company workers can select what gets shipped based on their political beliefs. Next the power utility company workers are going to refuse to give Tesla electricity

> Legally that seems a bit crazy that shipping company workers can select what gets shipped based on their political beliefs. Brother/Sister, a strike can in principle be done for any reason.

Which has the problem of striking for the reason that company X paid the transport union to not deliver products for competitor company Y, so that's why usually laws limit that principle.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by MichaelZuo »

WJW wrote: post #206
hinkley wrote: post #201

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As someone else pointed out, it sounds like German and Polish truckers are ambivalent.

I guess Tesla has to hope Danish/Swedish customs employees are ambivalent too then. You'd need a lot of trucks to replace a single car transporting ship btw, so even if Tesla manages to work around the strike that way it might be costly.

Tesla doesn't sell that many high end models in Sweden, a single train or a few dozen trucks can probably bring a week's worth of inventory.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by fallingknife »

simion314 wrote: post #125
andsoitis wrote: post #34

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> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advert…

In this one he admitted something about he said some very dumb shit on tweeter, so maybe his fans can accept that he does say dumb shit and stop defending that, let his lawyers and PR team defend him. IMO soon he will admit all this anti union stuff was also dumb.

I like people who say what they mean and don't care what other people think even when they say things I disagree with. I hate people who read from PR scripts. So why would I not defend it?

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Post by fallingknife »

mrweasel wrote: post #14
psychlops wrote: post #8

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Isn't that most of EU politics? Getting Germany to go along with what they want?

It does tend to help. I read somewhere that "Germany is financing the EU, but Bavaria is financing Germany", that probably not entirely true, but it is fun to think about.

You can make a good argument the other way, though. The common currency results in a weaker currency than the Deutsch mark would be if Germany wasn't in the Euro. This results in German exports being much more competitive. So in a way, the EU finances Germany.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by simion314 »

fallingknife wrote: post #248
simion314 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this one he admitted something about he said some very dumb shit on tweeter, so maybe his fans can accept that he does say dumb shit and stop defending that, let his lawyers and PR team defend him. IMO soon he will admit all this anti union stuff was also dumb.

I like people who say what they mean and don't care what other people think even when they say things I disagree with. I hate people who read from PR scripts. So why would I not defend it?

I do not understand, you like Elon because he says dumb shit, so you try to defend the dumb shit? How do you do that? You try to make the dumb shit look smart or you try to excuse Elon because maybe he was drunk/tired/drugged when he said that dumb shit ?

When he admits it was dumb and his fans argued for hours that it was smart how do they feel?

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