Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

Post by archagon » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 3:11 PM UTC

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #145

kristofferR wrote: post #74

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I get that proper unions are pretty baffling from a US perspective, where people don't mind having thousands peeing in bottles at work at Amazon as long as they get the spoon they ordered the next day. Us Scandinavians on the other hand find it pretty baffling that someone would just roll over to a megalomaniac who clearly states he would like to destroy what makes our countries great, our unions and working conditio…

I think you do not understand the basic fact that the people peeing in bottles are not working there against their will. As bad as it may be or sound, people choose to voluntarily work there. But sure, go fight your fight with the megalomaniac...

Post by archagon » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 3:13 PM UTC

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #148

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MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

I find it funny that you think he should not be able to do whatever he wants with his companies. He bought Twitter and it was his prerogative to direct everyone there to tell him why he's not number one on that platform. He did not buy Twitter to make money.

Post by ExoticPearTree » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 3:14 PM UTC

ponector wrote: post #52

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #25

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To be fair, lack of labor regulations and "bending over to foreign investors", including German and EU ones, is what got Eastern Europe out if the grim post communism poverty. You can't have strong unions and labor regulations when you don't have your own captive world leading domestic industry like IKEA, Siemens, SAAB, Novo Nordisk, Bosch, Airbus, etc. Nobody would invest in your country.

That is not true, eastern Europe has strong labour laws. World leading companies were moving to eastern Europe because it was cheap. Both land and labour. In some cases comparable to china. It is an outsourcing hub, way to cut costs. You get same skill (or even more) in Poland as you can get in Germany, but for half price and slightly less bureaucracy.

Post by Leherenn » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 3:16 PM UTC

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I looked it up when the story broke out, and as far as I could find, it's private shipping companies (FedEx and the like) that are refusing to deliver stuff, not the national public post office. They still get regular mail delivered just fine.

It was PostNord, the state owned post office: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 06, 2023, 3:19 PM UTC

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #155

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Well, then you completely misunderstanding things. It's not about joining, not at all. Actually what they ask for changes things for all employees of an industry (e.g. cars, or generally metal), not just for unionized workers. So let me explain on this, as european union culture is VERY different from US union culture. In Europe a lot of countries have a system of "Tarifvertrag" ("tarrif contract", but really "collec…

> The effect of this is visible, e.g. when you look at efficiency of e.g. german workers compared to their US counterparts. Can you please then explain to me how ~ 332mm people in the US are more productive than ~448mm people in the EU by almost 5 trillion dollars if the Americans are less efficient?