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If you require all your allies to be perfect people... ... you won't be left with many allies.
You can literally use this to excuse any behavior
Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications
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More like "or (insert country that shouldn't be doing something according to its own laws) to (do something against its own laws) for the purposes of (someone's profit)".
Sure and that applies (at least) to the EU (and friends), US, UK, China, Russia, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, India, etc.
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#223This, to me, is the more disturbing part of the article: > In this case, the federal government prohibited us from sharing any information," the company said in a statement. "Now that this method has become public we are updating our transparency reporting to detail these kinds of requests. What is the point of transparency reports if they don't include major vectors of government surveillance? IMO such gag orders sh…
Seems like a pretty open and shut case of unconstitutional restriction of speech in the US. Especially when you consider the wording of the Apple communication saying that they can talk about it openly now that it's public knowledge.
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Would you prefer elected bureacrats with guns? That scares me more. Perhaps we just go with rock solid transparency laws...
At least elected bureaucrats are theoretically accountable to the electorate. The gripe comes from things like the unelected bureaucrats at the US Department of Justice deciding that as part of implementing the Americans with Disabilities Act, there are only two limited and inadequate questions you can ask of someone with an apparently bogus service dog or else . That rule didn't come from the people who wrote the la…
> That rule didn't come from the people who wrote the law.
But lawmakers can write a law to address that.
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They mention metadata in the article. Imagine sending a message to a Signal account at time X, then asking Apple a list of all users that received a Signal notification at that specific time.
That doesn't make sense. I would expect Signal notifications to happen completely out-of-band with "normal" push notifications (e.g. NYT news alert). Otherwise that completely defeats the purpose of the service. Basically you're saying Apple/Google are MITM'ing Signal.
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Downvotes are possibly because the unelected bureaucrats with guns are overseen by the elected Executive and Legislature.
Are they though? How about the FDA getting most of its funding by the companies they are supposed to regulate? It's comforting to just trust that bureaucracies are doing what's good for the country, but also naive. https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/e4a791060... How about the NSA spying on congress? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/04/nsa-spying-ber... How about the ATF making up laws? https…
Not true. Congress can make laws defining what those agencies are and are not allowed to do.
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#227Unifiedpush to save the day! And an XMPP server with Conversations can be the basis for it: Https://unifiedpush.org/users/distributors/conversations/
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#228You get the illusion of choice but you get the same government spying on you in either case.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you require all your allies to be perfect people... ... you won't be left with many allies.
You can literally use this to excuse any behavior
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are they though? How about the FDA getting most of its funding by the companies they are supposed to regulate? It's comforting to just trust that bureaucracies are doing what's good for the country, but also naive. https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/e4a791060... How about the NSA spying on congress? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/04/nsa-spying-ber... How about the ATF making up laws? https…
> The only teeth congress has with these bureaucracies is the power of the purse. Not true. Congress can make laws defining what those agencies are and are not allowed to do.