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Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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they raised $16mm. I assure you they've talked with a lawyer or two.

If they actually just took a binary from OSX and stuck it into their app it probably wasn't the best lawyer

I believe it's server-side: not distributed.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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I think this might be launching at an opportune time. The EU is already trying to force them to open up the App Store and iMessage has a target on its back. A cease and desist about this won’t look great in the inevitable antitrust hearings…

Does iMessage have a target on its back? It doesn't have a dominant position here in messaging, if it has a position at all.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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If that becomes a problem and they get enough funding, I'm sure they can spend a few days / weeks reverse engineering the functions they need. At this point it just needs some effort, not some crazy research capabilities.

Given that these are cryptography-related functions, I feel like symbolic execution could yield the actual algorithm they use.

It's probably not even that hard. If some block looks like a crypto section, you can likely match the relevant constants to the algorithm. It's not like Apple will use some super custom solution there. "Where is the AES and how is the IV generated" is more likely question.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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I think this might be launching at an opportune time. The EU is already trying to force them to open up the App Store and iMessage has a target on its back. A cease and desist about this won’t look great in the inevitable antitrust hearings…

Does iMessage have a target on its back? It doesn't have a dominant position here in messaging, if it has a position at all.

over 50% of US market (and a few other countries), for starters. Not EU's jurisdiction, but it is a major messaging service.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Great job! Just from taking a quick look at this, what you have here is much bigger than iMessage itself. This could literally allow things like Universal Clipboard to work on Linux and Windows - by using the method presented here to access the iCloud Keychain and generating Continuity keys and placing them there - then the iPhone will broadcast its clipboard data encrypted with those keys via BLE. If I understand al…

I had been wondering where Beeper's route to profitability was, but if they can get Continuity and AirDrop stuff working with Windows that will be an instant no-brainer subscription for a lot of people (including me), so I guess it works out.

It works over wifi, but you might be interested in KDE Connect [1]. It can do clipboard, remote input, file sending, command running, etc. on Windows and Linux.

[1] https://kdeconnect.kde.org/

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Beeper is a really cool idea by some cool people (people behind the Pebble smartwatch) but I've resisted using it for fear of bans. I don't want my Slack/Discord/Instagram/AppleId/etc to get banned for using something not allowed under the terms of service. How are people who use Beeper dealing with this? Are you just using dummy/test accounts that you don't care about or are you just rolling the dice. I would like t…

Beeper mini does not require an apple account so there's not much harm Apple can do

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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post #765

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Does iMessage have a target on its back? It doesn't have a dominant position here in messaging, if it has a position at all.

over 50% of US market (and a few other countries), for starters. Not EU's jurisdiction, but it is a major messaging service.

Yes, I know but I was specifically talking about the EU, since that's the only government legislation for open access.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Well messaging for one thing... Some others: - Find my device features including Bluetooth ping networking (airtags, Tile, Android's upcoming network) - Airdrop/Nearby Share - Bluetooth LE proximity pairing (at least I doubt this works when pairing cross ecosystem) - Carplay/Android Auto - Airplay/Google Cast

- Carplay/Android Auto Are there any headunits that only support one or the other? The cheap Chinese unit I got last year supports wireless for both. It would be nice to have an open protocol though, so third parties could develop alternative UIs.

Sadly, yeah- even in OEM units.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Even Signal pitches a fit if you use a third-party app with their servers. It's a common (and unfortunate) practice.

what does this mean? plenty of 3rd party signal clients exist (flare being a well-known one); signal explicitly factored out a libsignal presumably to _encourage_ this. i’ve run multiple 3rd-party signal clients, even alongside the official apps, and never seen any problems or warnings. [flare]: https://gitlab.com/schmiddi-on-mobile/flare

>what does this mean?

Moxie (Signal's founder) has thrown fits in the past over the existence of third-party clients using their servers: https://github.com/libresignal/libresignal/issues/37#issueco...

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