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Firefox on the brink?

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Post by soundnote »

Lendal wrote: post #187
Amezarak wrote: post #64

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There is another way: make your browser THE browser for power users. Add crazy features that appeal to 0.1% of the userbase. Allow a free extension system that allows developers to come up with features you haven't even imagined and see what gets mindshare. Once you have committed power users who love your product, they will be more than happy to evangelize it to everyone they know. While their friends may not use an…

For me it's the Firefox sync feature. I install Firefox everywhere so I can instantly be up and running anywhere with all the settings, bookmarks, open tabs, logins, and addons ready to go on any new computer. It's a huge convenience and time-saver.

Sync is definitely great, but it isn't really a differentiating factor. Just about all of the competition has a sync service.

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Post by neilv »

insanitybit wrote: post #707
neilv wrote: post #555

Instead of government leaving it up to "market share", in an industry with decades of documented history of underhanded anti-competitive behavior, how about: 1. All government Web frontends must be compliant with one of the government-defined profiles of browser features, which are defined in terms of W3C (not WHAT, not Chrome) open standards. With sufficient penalties to motivate compliance. 2. As a practical matter…

I don't think the government wants to (or possibly is even able to) get involved in defining web standards. Tracking market share seems like the least hands-on way to determine support as it's purely "pull based" - they follow everyone else's lead, they aren't trying to dictate what a "good" browser is. The government is generally very slow and deliberate about technology recommendations let alone requirements when i…

There's been credible international standards since early on. The government can say "use that international standard for government systems, not these (more) proprietary and unstable things".

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Post by sleepybrett »

inversetelecine wrote: post #455
sleepybrett wrote: post #420

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> In my opinion, Firefox has been at war with its own users for years. citation fucking needed.

The citation is right there: "In my opinion"

I would like actual facts to back up this opinion.

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Post by neltnerb »

nophunphil wrote: post #672
nightpool wrote: post #556

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I just bought tickets on AA a few months ago with Firefox and didn't have any issues

Echoing this. Just bought AA tickets through the airline’s website yesterday using FF and it worked.

It was selecting seats that was too broken to continue, though I mean, I already "worked around" the issue. I tried until it was less work to redo all the manual data entry in Chromium, I usually try pretty hard to avoid using it.

I don't doubt that it works for a bunch of people, others have stated things that don't work and had others say they do work, so something is up. Maybe we're using different versions or operating systems or installation dates with old configuration data.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

Closi wrote: post #448
taf2 wrote: post #408

I can't be alone in my view that open source won. Just not the original Mozilla open source browser. Instead the re-invented one spear headed by Google - Chrome. Chrome is like the 2.0 of everything the IE6 team and Mozilla team learned the hard way. It was built by many of the original founding members of those teams. It's not a bad thing when Microsoft now uses the open source Blink rendering engine. It's not a bad…

That would be great, if Chrome was actually open source, and if the Chromium and Chrome projects weren't run by a company with perverse incentives (see: Manifest v3).

That's just splitting hairs. Chrome is not holding back features from Chromium, so Chromium has everything that Chrome has. The only things it's missing are things that literally don't matter to Chromium users (like google sync, what are you going to do, make your own google corporation?) or things that literally can't be open-sourced (non-free codecs).

The point here is that open-source "won" because nobody is trying to push features on the W3 Consortium without providing a reference implementation that is also the live, production code in the flagship browser of the largest browser company.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

coconut08 wrote: post #46

Mozilla has been a horrible steward for their project. They receive hundreds of millions of dollars a year and I have no idea where this money goes. It also doesn't help that their organization is full of purity testing and social activism nonsense that has nothing to do with making a good web browser. At this point I'm convinced that the reason that google is paying them so much is because they actually know that fi…

True. What are you going to do about it? I wish 1% of the effort denouncing FF because of the poor management were put towards forking it with better management.

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Post by Filligree »

mrinterweb wrote: post #468
Filligree wrote: post #452

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It uses a lot more CPU on Youtube than chrome/safari, and seems laggy there.

There was some recent concern that Youtube may be slowing down FF https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/17z8hsz/youtube_ha...

I believe that. But the simple fact they're cheating, doesn't make FF viable for watching youtube on my laptop.

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Post by wolpoli »

smegger001 wrote: post #704

The problem Firefox has as far as I can tell is that the people in charge of the Mozilla organization would rather it be a social justice philanthropic foundation than a web browser and mail client maker and thus neglect their main product. And those they do have working on Firefox seem to want to remove features and play with UI.

For whatever the reason, Firefox does seem to enjoy playing with colors of the season more than trying to figure out where to take their rendering engine.

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Post by Murfalo »

laurent123456 wrote: post #647
cwales95 wrote: post #606

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I use GitHub frequently and have never came across that issue; can't speak for the other sites though. If you're sure it's not the website's fault I'd encourage you to submit feedback: https://webcompat.com/issues/new

There's an open issue about it, so hopefully github should fix it eventually. It's on firefox mobile

Firefox mobile is its own beast. I experience a whole host of issues on it, but have never had issues with Firefox on desktop. Only reason I use FF for Android is for uBlock, but it's so unreliable I'm dying for a better option...

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Post by neftaly »

neltnerb wrote: post #508
amanzi wrote: post #495

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I've used Xero for years with Firefox without issues.

Maybe you can share your configuration? I wonder if you are lucky or they are unlucky.

Are you using Firefox ESR? It usually has worse support then the regular releases.
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