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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by ath3nd »

chfalck wrote: post #81
kibwen wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's permanently dispense with this weird notion that blocking ads is theft. When you're listening to the radio, it's not theft to change the station when ads come up. When you're watching TV, it's not theft to mute the TV and get a drink when ads come up. Youtube has zero moral expectation that people will actually watch the ads it serves. They're giving a product away for free, and people are consuming it for free…

The equivalent behavior on YouTube for your analogies would be for you to mute the ad or to browse a different tab while the ad still plays . Removing the ad altogether is very different. TV and radio can’t (last time I checked) tell if you’ve muted the ad, changed the channel, or have walked away. There’s no telemetry they can access that tells them that, so there is no legal course for the ad companies to say “we’r…

> and many will likely just endure it

And many will change the channel and watch something else in the meantime. Youtube checks that you have clicked away and just waits for you, basically FORCING you to watch the ad. TV and radio don't do that, neither do magazines.

If Youtube was TV, in this analogy every channel has an ad as soon as you open it. Oh, and when you go back to a channel you switched from due to an ad, that very same ad is waiting for you to watch it dutifully.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by lelandbatey »

chfalck wrote: post #81
kibwen wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's permanently dispense with this weird notion that blocking ads is theft. When you're listening to the radio, it's not theft to change the station when ads come up. When you're watching TV, it's not theft to mute the TV and get a drink when ads come up. Youtube has zero moral expectation that people will actually watch the ads it serves. They're giving a product away for free, and people are consuming it for free…

The equivalent behavior on YouTube for your analogies would be for you to mute the ad or to browse a different tab while the ad still plays . Removing the ad altogether is very different. TV and radio can’t (last time I checked) tell if you’ve muted the ad, changed the channel, or have walked away. There’s no telemetry they can access that tells them that, so there is no legal course for the ad companies to say “we’r…

The space of what's possible on the advertising attribution side doesn't change my moral obligations as a member of the audience. If that were the case, anything disrupting any kind of advertising attribution, even if not entirely intentional, could be said to be theft. For example, if I buy land and build a building in between a billboard and the road the billboard's pointed at, am I in some way liable to the billboard company? What about if I pay someone to follow me around with large cardboard panels and block large advertisements out in the world from my line of sight? What if I build a very fancy automated hat with arms which blocks ads in my real life vision (or even on every screen I look at)? I'm not seeing the ads, have I broken some rule?

This whole thing is happening because content makers have become VERY entitled to the system of advertising which pays them; rather than innovate in the space, they're trying to moralize and legalize their way into forcing the audience not to look away. Don't let it happen folks.

To be clear, I'm not saying YT should give things away; I'm saying the mask should come off and they should outright charge money.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by gpm »

Analemma_ wrote: post #62
kibwen wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's permanently dispense with this weird notion that blocking ads is theft. When you're listening to the radio, it's not theft to change the station when ads come up. When you're watching TV, it's not theft to mute the TV and get a drink when ads come up. Youtube has zero moral expectation that people will actually watch the ads it serves. They're giving a product away for free, and people are consuming it for free…

This goes both ways though. If it's not theft to not watch the ads, it's not "anticompetitive" to not serve you the video if they think you're blocking ads. What "competition" are they even blocking? The competitors who are just waiting to jump in and do exascale video hosting for free, forever, to users who bring in no revenue? Either accept the cat-and-mouse game, pay for YT premium, or stop using YouTube. Complain…

The competition they are blocking are all the competitors they drove out of business by running youtube at a loss for ages. They're only now putting ads in videos, charging for not-doing-that, blocking ad blockers, and so on, now that they've driven all the competitors after business. Predatory pricing of this nature is a well know old anti-competitive tactic. The only slightly new wrinkle is that they're letting users pay with their time and attention instead of requiring them to pay with dollars.

They should not be allowed to profit from their anti-competitively acquired monopoly, even in ways that their competitors would have if they had not been driven out of business.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by spaceguillotine »

ranting-moth wrote: post #20

Yes, but YT seems to be doing a lot of A/B testing so what works for others doesn't mean it works for you. If I see an ad I just close YT for the rest of the day.

private browsing w/ ad block seems to be working, its only when logged in do i get a warning

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

#105

Post by crazygringo »

blitz_skull wrote: post #35
crazygringo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see how a business blocking ad blockers is having a tantrum. That makes about as much sense as saying a store hiring a security guard to reduce theft is having a tantrum.

Bad metaphor. No one is stealing anything from YouTube. Meanwhile a tantrum is a display of socially unacceptable behavior because you don’t like something. Very much a tantrum.

How is blocking adblockers "socially unacceptable behavior"?

It might frustrate you personally -- the same way it might frustrate you to have to pay money to see a movie at a movie theater -- but I don't see what isn't acceptable about it socially.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by hunter2_ »

Ayesh wrote: post #45

Very misleading. It downloads a text file maintained by someone at a repository that lists all uBO YouTube Fixes, and compare it to the latest YouTube JS files. Not all JS updates contain anti-adblock codes, so what this website shows is pretty misleading.

Yes, but I assume people would typically get to this website via the megathread [0] which says the same as you:

> If it's red, it means we're either still working on a fix or the latest script didn't defeat our current filters.

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/184fivk/youtu...

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by crazygringo »

godshatter wrote: post #79
crazygringo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see how a business blocking ad blockers is having a tantrum. That makes about as much sense as saying a store hiring a security guard to reduce theft is having a tantrum.

They are giving things away for free with ads attached to them. People who don't like advertisements are removing them without looking at them. They are retaliating by trying to force them to look at the ads or to otherwise mess with them getting the free items in a timely manner in the first place. Well within their rights, I guess, but it still seems like they are throwing a tantrum to me.

> Well within their rights, I guess, but it still seems like they are throwing a tantrum to me.

I still don't see how it has anything to do with a tantrum. A tantrum is someone yelling and screaming because they aren't getting what they want. This is Google getting exactly what it wants, and I don't see any yelling and screaming.

It's just quietly asserting its rights to block adblockers.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by voidnap »

crazygringo wrote: post #22
stephc_int13 wrote: post #18

Google is having a tantrum about ads blocker. They should know better.

I don't really see how a business blocking ad blockers is having a tantrum. That makes about as much sense as saying a store hiring a security guard to reduce theft is having a tantrum.

> not looking at ads is theft

never gets old

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by tzs »

sdrinf wrote: post #78
its_ethan wrote: post #59

I feel like no one is really saying it in this discussion, but paying the $9 a month or whatever for YouTube Premium makes this whole thing a non-issue, and comes with perks like being able to download videos to your device (great for flying) and to play things in the background.

Logging in means random videos I check from various corners of the internet starts shaping the recommendation algo. Many of these are extremely deep and vicious traps (eg my most recent one was misery porn). Youtube premium does not works for incognito mode. This requires careful, and manual curation of my "history" page. No thank you.

Wait...are you actually getting useful recommendations from the not-logged-in recommendation algorithm?

Whenever I've use YouTube not logged in the recommendations have been pretty worthless.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

#110

Post by HideousKojima »

hunter2_ wrote: post #100
HideousKojima wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Imagine valuing your time so little you waste it trying to block instead of just abstaining or using premium. I mean it takes ~15 seconds to update uBlock Origin's filter scripts any time there's an update to bypass YouTube. Based on my current salary that's under 50 cents worth of my time. Also I've actually had zero adblock warnings on Firefox so far, my wife had issues on Opera and uBO wasn't updated yet and I sp…

I could be wrong, but I interpreted gp as criticizing those who make the solutions available/easy, not those who use the solutions. The former are "trying to block" which takes time -- the latter simply block which is closer to immediate. And then there's us discussing the whole thing, which shows that sometimes the pleasure is in the journey, not the destination.

Well the creator of uBlock Origin probably rakes in a few hundred thousand in donations and other revenue annually, so it's probably well worth their time too.

But yeah, arguing about it all online has always been the most fun part.

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