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Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by mikrl »

grozmovoi wrote: post #105
mikrl wrote: post #100

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>The reason is that the adjective ruskie is typically understood as "Russian" in general parlance I’m not a native speaker, but I always heard that the Greek derived Rosyjski/Rosjanin/Rosjanka were for Russians (ie the ethnic majority in the Russian Federation) but Ruskie was still reserved for the Rus’ in general. I’ve had native speaking members explain the distinction to me, that ruskie is more of a catch-all term…

"Ruskie" vs "Rosyjskie" is a difference between common speech and more proper grammar, but in regular usage of the language they both mean the adjective "Russian". I'm native.

I assume the average person does not care about what Rus’ means versus Russian, Belarusian, and so on?

Is there a tendency to group them together? As Russians or as Rus’?

There is a lot of cultural context that Western Europeans (inc myself) are not aware of.

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Post by devilbunny »

odiroot wrote: post #28
sznio wrote: post #11

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polish person here, i don't like them sauerkraut+mushrooms pierogi are the best

Cabbage and mushrooms are not great if you don't have a toilet nearby.

Eh, much of the free carbohydrate content of sauerkraut has been eaten by the lactobacilli. All that gas that comes off it during fermentation doesn't smell much better than it would if you had fermented it in your colon instead, but at least it's happening at a slow rate and generally dissipates before being noticed.

Now, when I had kalua pork and (fresh) cabbage on vacation in Hawaii, it was delicious - but produced effects more like what concern you. For four days (!) I was a noxious chemical factory with a seemingly limitless ability to produce airborne products that probably would qualify as weapons under the Geneva conventions. Thank God we had rented a convertible, and I do feel sorry for those who were near us on the flight back.

It was at L&L, which apparently does have a significant presence on the mainland (though mostly West Coast) and a few non-US locations. Be cautious of that dish. I'm sure that if you ate it regularly, the effects would lessen (as they typically do for such things), but the adjustment period would greatly shrink your pool of people who want to be anywhere physically close to you.

Never noticed any ill effects from mushrooms, but I suppose we're all different.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by ajuc »

badpun wrote: post #106
ajuc wrote: post #82

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This depends entirely on family traditions. My mother is from near the eastern border of Poland (Włodawa), my father from around Lublin, my wife from central Poland (Kutno). Each family makes different versions of pierogi, even ruskie are different between the families. I (predictably) prefer the version that my mother makes, which has extra thin dough and slightly higher cheese to potato ratio, but all of them are g…

There's been an increase in some nasty parasite (can't remember which at the moment) among Poland's wild fox population. Foxes poop at wild blueberry bushes in the forests, and the parasites eggs get on the blueberries. A parasite specialist quoted in the paper said that these eggs are so resilient they can survive boiling water or being baked in an owen. The parasite itself is a nasty one (e.g. will eat out your eye…

Yes, bąblowiec, I'm well aware. My sister is a vet. We always wash the blueberries after gathering because of that (and preferably you should gather berries after a strong rain). Also cooking the berries (like in the case of pierogi) might not help but I think usually will kill them? I've seen different opinions (even among doctors).

You can also get slightly different version of bąblowiec from dogs, and dogs touch EVERYTHING when they go on a walk, so basically if you're afraid about that you should deparasitize (is that a word in English?) the dog every year if you take your dogs for walks in nature (or visit places where lots of dogs poop - like dog parks).

In the end it's not that common (I mean it's common among foxes but not common among people - there's like few dozen cases a year in Poland AFAIR). Probably many more causes are never recognized because it develops very slowly but still - if it was easy to catch people would talk about it constantly.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by elsurudo »

delfinom wrote: post #102
kgabis wrote: post #40

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Ok, I need to double check, but I'm pretty sure using ketchup anywhere near pierogi is illegal.

Yea the only "condiment" for pierogi should be fried up onions drizzled on top.

Sour cream, especially with Ruskie.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by mikewarot »

Whiting, Indiana has a Pierogi festival in the fall, that is pretty big. The local Ukrainian Church in my home town says:

  "PIEROGIES, PYROHY, VARENYKY
  (They're the best whatever you call them!)
  
  at St. Josaphat Ukrainian Catholic Church
  
  in Munster, Indiana!
  
  You can purchase pierogies/pyrohy/varenyky every Friday from 12:00pm to 3:00pm in our hall at 8624 White Oak Ave, Munster, Indiana. We encourage to place your order early each week on the phone to ensure your order can be filled - extras may not be available for walk-ins."
They also have a festival just before Orthodox Easter... and we always go and load up on them, and the various breads and sausages that vendors offer.

Tradition here has potato pierogis fried in butter with a little bit of onions.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by k_bx »

acadapter wrote: post #33
k_bx wrote: post #24

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Stealing? It's their shared East Slavic heritage.

I don't quite agree here, but what they do then is conflate words "Russian and Rusian" to mean the same thing, claiming for various stuff their population has no relation to. It's a dirty tactics very in-line with their today's propaganda machine.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by acadapter »

k_bx wrote: post #117
acadapter wrote: post #33

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Stealing? It's their shared East Slavic heritage.

I don't quite agree here, but what they do then is conflate words "Russian and Rusian" to mean the same thing, claiming for various stuff their population has no relation to. It's a dirty tactics very in-line with their today's propaganda machine.

I don't understand what's controversial about this. "Rus" is the medieval East Slavic society.

Three of the four modern East Slavic cultures retain the word root in the name (Russians, Belarusians, Rusyns). One of them uses the expression "borderlands" for their identity (Ukrainians).

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by f6v »

genman wrote: post #91
f6v wrote: post #85

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> My comments try to explain why Ukrainians believe that Russians have stolen the "Rus" identity (from them) only for themselves. Which is completely irrelevant to the thread. And, let’s be honest, is of little interest to anyone. This cultural appropriation bullshit has gotten old a long time ago already.

It is completely relevant to the thread about Russia stealing Ukrainian "Rus" identity. This is not some European Americans dressing up like Native Americans "this is a cultural Appropriation" bullshit. This is the real thing where a national entity denies existence of another nation and is in process to genocide this nation while pretending to be historically the same nation they are attempting to genocide. Of cours…

> This is the real thing where a national entity denies existence of another nation and is in process to genocide this nation

Please complain to the UN. I don’t see how you’re doing anything useful here.

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Post by f6v »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #96
f6v wrote: post #92

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Rusyns in Ukraine do speak Hungarian though.

No, not to any significant extent. I speak Hungarian and have very frequently passed through that small part of Transcarpathia where Hungarian is still spoken, and I have rarely encountered an ethnic Slav who learned Hungarian to proficiency. The language of interethnic communication in Transcarpatia was generally Russian during the Soviet era, and even remained such into the post-Soviet era, though Ukrainian has nat…

Yeah my wife’s granddad was stationed in a Ukrainian village as a doctor and had to learn some Hungarian to communicate with locals, so… Let’s fight who anecdotes are better.

> they have no contact whatsoever with the Hungarian language.

Yet loads of them pass Hungarian nationality test which involves speaking Hungarian.

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