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Firefox on the brink?

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Re: Firefox on the brink?

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> The reason people test with different browsers is not that they want to use non-standard features, it's that even standard features often do not work in certain browsers. This is exactly why sites should be tested for their conformance with the standard rather than with specific browsers. Testing against specific browsers just encourages browser-makers to continue to avoid fixing their shit.

If you want to make money or reach constituents, this isn't actually a viable option for anyone. When people complain that they can't submit their DMV forms (or whatever) and you say, "well we followed all the standards, go find another browser" and they say "which one" and you say "I don't know, we didn't test with any browsers, we just test against the standard" who do you think they'll blame?

Is it really a standard if no one implements it in a way that everyone agrees on?

Is it really a standard if the dominant vendor just ignores the standard and does what it wants because then it becomes the "actual standard" ?

As a (terrible) example, look at FIPS. The government has the power to mandate a standard that everyone needs to implement. If instead of "supporting specific browser vendors" they "support a specific standard" then all vendors have a target that works with an agreed upon common ground.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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That axe may just be Chrome's war on ad blockers.

I'd like to believe this, but what percentage of Chrome users actually use an ad blocker? My general feeling is that we on HN think ad blocking is a lot more common than it actually is.

It can't be that niche, or else why would they spend so much effort fighting ad blockers? They've surely done some research that uncovers a decent userbase of people who do use an ad blocker but will turn it off at a prompt.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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I switched over after the Manifest v3 debacle, and after a couple of months, I wonder if the implications of using a browser with a lower market share are overblown. I haven't encountered any site that misbehaves, and the only missing feature so far is within the Google Drive web app because it uses a Chrome-only extension [1]. Maybe the ongoing standardization of the web shows its effects here, and using a standard-…

I have been using FF as my primary browser for a few years now. I have not found any site that does not work but sometimes I have to turn off uBlock Origin.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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I stopped using ff when it stopped being a browser and became some weird political tool.

Genuinely curious, what do you mean?

Examples that I could find. Not sure that the browser itself is a political tool (yet). But the leadership has been strongly in favour of implementing some dystopic ideas. Crazy ultra far left weirdos.

"MOZILLA CEO CALLS FOR INCREASED CENSORSHIP: ‘WE NEED MORE THAN DEPLATFORMING’"

https://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/mozilla-ceo-calls-f...

"Notes on Implementing Vaccine Passports"

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/notes-on-impl...

And the usual corporate social justice / diversity bullshit:

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozilla-racia...

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/careers/diversity/

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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That chart is sad. Like most things, the decline is gradual for decades and then all at once.

It doesn’t help that iPhone can have no other browser engine other than Safari.

Big Tech dominance is powerful that many nation states when it comes to internet.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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It used to be slow, and many people who then switched, won't be looking back until Chrome stops working.

chrome by way of google is making sure it's the only thing that youtube still properly works in. When MS tried this shit they got slapped with anti-trust. What google is doing is worse in every dimension.

YouTube works fine in all my Firefox browsers on mobile amd desktop. And despite reported difficulty by others UBO continues to ensure I see no ads there.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Firefox needs to focus all their effort on making a good web browser first . If the browser is slow, has a clunky interface, or lags behind on features, then people won't use it. Mozilla focus way too much of their attention on privacy and non-browser related projects. Look at how much attention that The Browser Company has gotten for their Arc browser on Mac. Their primary focus is great UI and making an excellent b…

I always see comments like this on HN, and I struggle to understand why. Firefox is plenty fast. Its interface is extremely similar to most of its competitors. It works well. What special sauce do you expect Mozilla to implement that'll suddenly change their fortunes? It's a browser, after all. And why do you think that such features aren't being implemented due to lack of resources or muddled priorities - surely Moz…

> I always see comments like this on HN, and I struggle to understand why.

I think its OSX and Windows people talking past each other.

On a Mac, Firefox is pale in comparison to Safari.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Here's an idea on how to turn this ship in the right direction: get Musk interested in funding a project which will fork the code base, clean up the cruft - pocket etc. - and relaunch Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox. That is what a Phoenix is supposed to do after all, when the time has come to die it will burn to ashes from which it arises all new and fresh. Why Musk? The choice seems clear as are the tangents to his other…

To the downvoters: tell us what you think instead of trying to get an opinion contrary to your own greyed out. Is it just that I mention undesirable person #1 which caught your ire, is it that you do not think a fork would be a good idea, is it because you do not agree that Mozilla has been abused by Baker? Discuss, do not just click that down-vote button.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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The organization that gave the world Rust, Web Assembly, and countless other useful technologies is in a probable death spiral, and most of the blame goes to Mitchell Baker. If Mozilla was not primarily driven by greed and laziness, smart people that still exist in around Firefox would have made the difficult technical decisions needed to continue to ship a useful product that protects user privacy while still being…

Firefox letting go of many important teams such as MDN, Rust etc was its death knell in developer community.

Mitchell Baker will surely get a golden parachute even if Firefox is sold for scraps.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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post #339

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So that means instead of investing money into making the browser better and clawing back some market share, Mozilla Corporation is sending money up to the owning Mozilla Foundation, in the form of profits, to spend on non-browser initiatives.

The only amount of money that can claw back market share is a number big enough to buy Google. Google controls the leading web properties and pushes its browsers through there.

Features. Be as good as chrome and id use it.
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