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Firefox on the brink?

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Post by Night_Thastus »

BossingAround wrote: post #50
nequo wrote: post #3

I want Firefox to not be on the brink. I have had no problems with it on Linux over the last few years since I switched from Chrome. I do not wish to touch Chrome with a ten-foot pole.

The one thing I miss from Chrome is the `thisisunsafe` feature to ignore whatever misconfiguration the webpage you're trying to access uses. Recently, one of the dev servers that I tried to access misconfigured HSTS, which made it really difficult for Firefox to access the web UI. I fired up chromium, simply typed the magic word, and accessed it no problem. Of course, ideally, there'd be no misconfigurations, but som…

This drives me up a wall. I know the site. I trust the site. Yes, they screwed up something with their configuration or it's just ancient. I STILL WANT TO GO THERE!

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Post by pjmlp »

JohnBooty wrote: post #212
pjmlp wrote: post #2

Yes, the Web has turned into ChromeOS, with the help of many folks that used to bash IE.

I can't believe that we fell for this crap again. That's one of the side effects of aging engineers out of the industry so quickly. We've lost so many of the engineers who just lived through a crippling browser monoculture not much more than ten years ago.

And you see this all over the place, like microservices (The Network is the Computer, SOA, WebServices), WebAssembly (TIMI, P-Code, JVM, MSIL, PNaCL,...).

Lots of stuff that keeps happening because newer folks just don't have any clue of what came before, or why that fence is in the middle of the field.

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Post by azangru »

jessehattabaugh wrote: post #202

Web Developers shouldn't need to "support" particular browsers at all, that's what standards are for. Nobody should be "supporting" any non-standard functionality at all.

> Web Developers shouldn't need to "support" particular browsers at all, that's what standards are for.

I agree. But different standards get adopted by different browsers at different rates. Case in point: Firefox still has not released support for declarative shadow DOM.

As a side note, although related to standards: I thought Firefox insisted several years ago that they were not going to support File System Access API. But now MDN lists it among supporting browsers.

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Post by deanc »

superlupo wrote: post #268

I can only recommend to give Firefox another go, if you don't use it by default. It really has improved the last years, it also had made much progress in privacy features, and doesn't want to kill ad-blocker like Google wants. Also, Firefox on Android finally started supporting extensions. Another thing: Because no other browser engines are allowed to be installed on iOS, those numbers should be subtracted from the t…

I hear this everytime a thread on HN pops up. Everyone talks about the major improvements, how it performs well nowadays etc. after a few years of perf. issues. But it runs like shit on my Macbook Pro 2019 (Intel) 32GB RAM. Videos freeze, it takes ages to cold start. Every interaction feels slow to me compared to chrome.

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Post by HackerThemAll »

sp332 wrote: post #146
jdlyga wrote: post #90

Firefox needs to focus all their effort on making a good web browser first . If the browser is slow, has a clunky interface, or lags behind on features, then people won't use it. Mozilla focus way too much of their attention on privacy and non-browser related projects. Look at how much attention that The Browser Company has gotten for their Arc browser on Mac. Their primary focus is great UI and making an excellent b…

Firefox is fast though.

It used to be slow, and many people who then switched, won't be looking back until Chrome stops working.

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Post by mikeryan »

eldaisfish wrote: post #235
mikeryan wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CEO salaries aren’t, and never have been, relative to the rank and file salaries. The question is how much you need to be to get a competent executive relative to the open market. You can argue whether they’re getting what they’re paying for but this doesn’t seem to be out of line relative to the leaders of other, similarly sized organizations. Also a non profit has to have higher salaries as there’s not a lot of roo…

the benchmark of what other CEOs make is a horrible metric. There is an entire industry of « Consultants » who will justify a higher CEO salary by claiming that other CEOs make the higher salary and then work with those other CEOs by point to your now higher salary.

Note, I didn’t say that it had to be relative to other CEO salaries. It has to be competitive to any other position that a candidate has available to them.

What would Mitchell make as an SVP at a FAANG company? What could they make as a startup founder?

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Post by red-iron-pine »

debo_ wrote: post #166
munk-a wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately yes - this view isn't so out there that it's not inconceivable that someone would genuinely express it.

You always have to /s here. I figure there are enough people reading HN who have different backgrounds in how they understand English that it's necessary. Also important to label jokes.

also a tech startup incubator, where there is a non-trivial portion of the population is, or is trying very hard to be, something like that CEO.

in other words, for some people here it's not sarcasm.

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Post by bambax »

> I am personally unaware of any serious reason to believe that Firefox’s numbers will improve soon.

Is it possible that Manifest V3 will help Firefox?

Of course most people don't know or care about Manifest V3, but if uBlock Origin or other effective ad blockers cease to work satisfactorily on Chrome, won't that make some users switch?

I'd rather go back to fetching web pages from a terminal than suffering the insanity of modern web ads. I can't be the only one.

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Post by jampekka »

loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

> What is justifying Mozilla Corporation CEO Mitchell Baker's salary?

The same thing that is justifying obscene salaries in general. A circle of greed where obscenely paid people decide what obscenely paid people should be paid.

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Post by kemotep »

blackhaz wrote: post #223
tiahura wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Motherfuck! Mozilla's board and their funding projects almost makes me want to abandon Firefox and go to Chrome.

Despite all this nonsense about the board, Firefox remains the best browser in my experience. It isn’t cramming an AI chatbot and coupon codes during checkout into my browser experience or working to eliminate ad blocking.
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