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Firefox on the brink?

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Re: Firefox on the brink?

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The decline is exacerbated by mobile. It's become the dominant form of using the web, but almost everyone uses the default that comes with the phone and Firefox is nowhere to be seen. Additionally it's been on the decline even with the developer population, my guess is because Chrome and the team around it has been much better in explaining how to e.g. write better performing code and critically how to actually use devtools to measure.

Anyway, I think Firefox is toast mostly because of its leadership which seems less interested in actually doing something interesting, and more interested in draining what's left until they can stick a fork in it.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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I don't really get what you're on about. I switched from Chrome to Firefox a couple months ago and... it's great. I don't notice any differences in performance (if anything, snappier) and the only thing that's "missing" that I had in Chrome is that Chrome had all my credit-card and password data associated with my Google account, which, well, that's not something I want Firefox to have. TLDR: Firefox is a good web br…

The pig doesn't have any problem with the farmer until he shows up with the axe. Thus it is with chrome users.

Yep, in my case it was disgust about the (apparently now abandoned) attestation efforts.

I worked at Google for 10 years, so my tolerance of them is higher than some, I guess. But also, now, my distrust.

Anyways, Firefox is fine. Nice, in fact.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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This is really frustrating to hear! It continues to boggle my mind how Chrome - partly closed source, questionable goals related to advertising - has almost 50% market share; while Firefox is declining.

One feature which is stopping me from switching is Google account sync between devices.

I had the same concern until recently. But the switch to FF, keeping my bookmarks/passwords etc, was quick and entirely painless. I use FF on all my devices and it syncs just as well as chrome.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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The US government's page it uses to track web browser usage uses an analytics engine made by a company that makes its own web browser? That sounds like a pretty big issue!

Weird that no one checks their own logs any more

I would guess lots of people no longer have access to the log files -- because the cloud is somebody else's computer (GitHub pages, etc) or because you're web scale and run your web server in docker so log files are ephemeral or maybe you're web scale so the only logging is dumping status messages to a background screen session.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Firefox needs to focus all their effort on making a good web browser first . If the browser is slow, has a clunky interface, or lags behind on features, then people won't use it. Mozilla focus way too much of their attention on privacy and non-browser related projects. Look at how much attention that The Browser Company has gotten for their Arc browser on Mac. Their primary focus is great UI and making an excellent b…

I always see comments like this on HN, and I struggle to understand why. Firefox is plenty fast. Its interface is extremely similar to most of its competitors. It works well. What special sauce do you expect Mozilla to implement that'll suddenly change their fortunes? It's a browser, after all. And why do you think that such features aren't being implemented due to lack of resources or muddled priorities - surely Mozilla can walk and chew gum?

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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What stood out to me was that they didn't break out mobile from PC. The mobile landscape dominates usage these days and extremely few people make an active choice in browser there. The presented stats to me reads more like Android vs iPhone than it does Chrome vs everyone else.

on iOS all browsers are forced to use WebKit And how could Firefox possibly complete against default browsers? Is it even worth the investment?

The rendering engine doesn't really matter - nothing is stopping Mozilla from implementing a better browser app than Safari.

Safari is _really_ good and a very high bar to catchup to, even if you don't have to implement the rendering engine and Mozilla is not exactly known for their friendly and refined UIs. Vivaldi on iOS is much younger by comparison and looks a lot better than Firefox.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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What could get people to move to firefox? Is the only way really to have have your browser be popular is to have it either be installed by default, or being advertised on a page that people use daily? Would be crazy if facebook had a banner stating "switch to firefox now" suddenly

IT admins please make Firefox the default on school and office computers. Why not?

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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It used to be slow, and many people who then switched, won't be looking back until Chrome stops working.

chrome by way of google is making sure it's the only thing that youtube still properly works in. When MS tried this shit they got slapped with anti-trust. What google is doing is worse in every dimension.

When MS tried this shit, there weren't companies that were selling you locked-down hardware running a locked-down OS running a locked-down App Store, while taking a 30% cut of every economic transaction on that store...

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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The things you describe aren't prevented by focusing on semantics, and are in fact enabled by it. Every modern app looks different for branding purposes, so users don't know what the buttons do. Things are complicated because we abandoned standard UIs that used to use the same widgets across every application. And government stuff should work differently from 99.9% of commercial websites. Again, the goal should be fo…

> so users don't know what the buttons do. They do, though. People are able to figure out commercial websites orders of magnitude more easily than figuring out how to fill out their 1040. > They need to just make their stuff reliably work Which is what UX and design help with. > Basic HTML with minimal optional styles checks all of those boxes. It doesn't. Layout and design are tools that help with clarify and ease-o…

Filling out your 1040 is "hard" because people don't understand what the words mean, there's a 100 page instruction manual that defines the terms, and it might require filling out other forms too (which you might just need to know somehow that you need to fill them out too). Other than that, the actual UI design is straightforward. You write/type numbers into numbered boxes, top to bottom, occasionally referring back to numbers you've already completed. You could progressively enhance with automatic calculations for relevant fields, but hand calculations work as a fallback.

Reliability is unrelated from UI, except insofar as simple UIs are easy to build, and therefore less likely to break. A paper form 1040 is perfectly reliable; it's not going to burst into flames when you're filling it out. As I said above, I couldn't even fill out my payment form on a modern site. It did not work at all. The form did not appear. That is not reliable. It also makes no sense if you know the page is ultimately using HTML, and that HTML has forms built directly in, and they always work fine.

And yeah, when I'm doing something like making a payment, setting up a transfer, doing my taxes, or even ordering a pizza, something like a slightly advanced paper form (e.g. with drop downs for options) would work great on my phone or desktop. Have a special request for your pizza that's not on the form? Put it in the free-form instructions box.

The "progress" we've made in the last few years is that I can't do bank transfers without switching browsers, which requires selecting a "to" account from a drop-down, a "from" account from a drop-down, and typing an amount. I don't see how something so basic can be so hard to do correctly. There's literally no need for any javascript at all. I don't see the usability gain from whatever they're doing.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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What could get people to move to firefox? Is the only way really to have have your browser be popular is to have it either be installed by default, or being advertised on a page that people use daily? Would be crazy if facebook had a banner stating "switch to firefox now" suddenly

Ad blocker built into mobile FF.
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