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Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by lucubratory » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 4:14 AM UTC

parthianshotgun wrote: post #79

IgorPartola wrote: post #76

I actually wonder if in the limit of video encoding we could just get a diffusion model that can in real time render realistic video based on a script. Then downloading a movie is just downloading a few megabytes of a prompt and you get a movie playing based off it locally.

Wouldn't it be non-deterministic? (Legit question, I'm new to this)

It depends on the specifics, but in general if your settings are correct and the hardware isn't doing something whacky/buggy then it should be deterministic. The math itself is deterministic, the only randomness comes from temperature (intentional randomness introduced in software) and some bugginess with GPUs that weren't designed for this workload.

Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by lucubratory » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 4:22 AM UTC

An evolution of this process would make it feasible to do retrieval-augmented generation using information from video content. I've thought about trying to do this to improve the (already impressive) abilities LLM's possess as a creative writing assistant/rubber ducky; a lot of good writing advice is on YouTube in the form of video essays, tutorials, lectures, etc.

Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by dumbfounder » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 5:00 AM UTC

pixl97 wrote: post #61

dumbfounder wrote: post #48

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I think ideally the creator would be compensated by PrintThatVideo, who is taking their content and repurposing it.

I mean, I expect someone to make this a module for something than can be ran on your own computer with LLAMA (or whatever) in pretty short order. The attention market cycle is wrapping up and at this rate AI/LLMs will further kill the market for grabbing your attention by filtering that crap out. Grab the signal, filter the noise. Yuval Noah Harari is likely correct, the future isn't about attention, it's about intim…

Is that a counterargument? It doesn’t seem like one. Why does it matter where and how the content is repurposed? If there is value found and extracted and the person that created that value isn’t compensated then we have a problem. No more incentives to create value.

Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by roomey » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 8:43 AM UTC

These tik tok videos are pretty short right? Why not just get a note book and write down the instructions.

You could even do a little line drawing of the important bits.

You could keep this "cook" book in your kitchen, and maybe pass it to one of your kids (just an example) when they move out or something.

Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by krageon » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 11:29 AM UTC

webdood90 wrote: post #85

TeMPOraL wrote: post #56

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> So he's using the same bit of friction that this article is trying to solve, to fill his rice bowl. You spelled out exactly what the attention economy is about. Friction . The money is made on friction. Waste - of time, of cognitive effort, of emotions good and bad. I feel sorry for this guy, but at the same time, I wish people recognized that attention economy isn't about some nebulous attention you have too much…

the guy deserves to be compensated for his efforts. I think this is a pretty pessimistic take.

But he doesn't deserve to steal from me to get it.

Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by RugnirViking » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 12:26 PM UTC

jader201 wrote: post #65

TeMPOraL wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So he's using the same bit of friction that this article is trying to solve, to fill his rice bowl. You spelled out exactly what the attention economy is about. Friction . The money is made on friction. Waste - of time, of cognitive effort, of emotions good and bad. I feel sorry for this guy, but at the same time, I wish people recognized that attention economy isn't about some nebulous attention you have too much…

I get it, but most content -- that you and I find helpful in so many different cases -- exists because it can be monetized. And, to your point, friction-based monetization is one of the more effective ways to monetize your content. If you can't monetize your content, what's the point in creating it? Creating a lot of this content takes time, and therefore many people won't create it if it's not worth their time. If t…

I create content, heck i'm doing it right now, without being paid. Some is relatevly low value (but not none, I can see you like to spend time reading hn comments) but some ive made has touched thousands of people and been high effort stuff. Am I crazy? am I simply irrational?

No. People will create without incentive. put multiple humans in a box and wait, and culture will spontaneously be generated. Income is not, never will be, and has never, been a nessacary part of this equation.

In general ive observed a tragic cycle of vibrant communities blossoming into existence where everyone created because they want to, people have healthy engagement with it and get primarily positive vibes. Then over time, money invades, starts paying a select few of the creators and arbitrarily excluding others with no partiuclar pattern. Bad vibes ensue, and even those paid have to run in place and burn out. Content quality suffers, becoming less about creative expression and making audience happy, and more about extracting clicks, money, ads, buy, subscribe, like

Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by EricMausler » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

atticora wrote: post #28

EricMausler wrote: post #27

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Have you considered paying for the patreon regardless because you consume his content one way or another and value it?

I consume hundreds or thousands of creators' content that I value more than this particular channel. If I felt the duty to donate to each one, let alone subscribe , I would consume much less of it and live in a smaller world. Perhaps it is a rationalization, but I don't feel that consuming content that someone offers to me for free creates an obligation on my part, whether I love it or not.

I agree that you are not obligated to pay, as in you don't deserve to have debt for consuming things you value. I think it may be a rationalization to argue that you shouldn't try to. Although maybe there is a difference of opinion on separating an obligation from an ought to.

Justifying why it's okay to feel entitled to the content for free (due to lots of available free content) even though it provides a personal value to you is what oversteps in the wrong direction to me, if that's part of your take.

I should probably clarify that merely grabbing or holding your attention is not what I mean by providing value. I mean it saves you time, it gives you conversation topics, it helps you grow, its something you look forward to consuming, it isnt just taking attention you didnt know what to do with, etc. In kther words, there's something specific to the content that resonates with you.

Its possible you just don't value this content all that much, even if you do appreciate it and find it interesting - which is okay.

Value is very subjective and personal, there's no way to codify what I'm saying here.

And it's also fair to argue that you are paying for most of these things with your time and attention, although with your specific example an improvement was theorized that would give you the same value while saving you time, and that translated to paying the creator less. Something about the specifics there didn't seem right

Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by sonicanatidae » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 5:22 PM UTC

quartz wrote: post #22

Definitely would use this. Instructional video instead of step-by-step text is a personal pet peeve. I know it's a lot easier to just record a video to show something like "how to replace the battery on a cordless vacuum" or "removing a sink basin nut" but it's often such a painful experience for consumption (watch a moment, pause, scrub back and watch again, pause, continue, pause, all with potentially gloved hands…

100% with you on this one. Just give me the list. If I need visuals, I'll chase them down.

Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by sonicanatidae » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

dmd wrote: post #58

bane wrote: post #47

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I'm on the other end of this in a way. I think it may come from having to read and write all day every day. Sometimes just having somebody yak at me for a few minutes is useful. I really enjoy watching instructional videos, especially for recipes. The demo of the cooking techniques is almost always hard to write or talk about, and easy to show. In the kitchen it works this way for me: 1. Watch the video once or twice…

Your workflow sounds like literal hell to me. I will do anything in my power to get plain text to avoid exactly the experience you are describing!

They are spending a great deal of time, getting this one thing just right.

Most of us, in the IT world, aren't doing that. We're trying to get through this task quickly, and accurately, before moving on to the next one, so for us, we don't need this level of prep/consideration/review.

I'm with you. It's not my style either, after 30+ years in IT. lol

Re: Now I can just print that video

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Post by sonicanatidae » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

Szpadel wrote: post #55

quartz wrote: post #22

Definitely would use this. Instructional video instead of step-by-step text is a personal pet peeve. I know it's a lot easier to just record a video to show something like "how to replace the battery on a cordless vacuum" or "removing a sink basin nut" but it's often such a painful experience for consumption (watch a moment, pause, scrub back and watch again, pause, continue, pause, all with potentially gloved hands…

oh, it depends I understand and agree with you but there are situations where full video is better anyways. example from life: I needed to teardown old laptop to replace thermal paste and I was following some image guide it was all fine until one part stuck and I couldn't figure out what was holding it. there was no way to figure that out from description and images, I needed to find video. I guess what I'm trying to…

I generally agree with you. I would appreciate it if the youtubers that do these would just add the list to the text box they write in anyway. That would help a great deal, since all of it would be right there.

Visuals can be useful. I had to look at one just this morning tearing down an old HP Elitebook 8470p. Here I was removing all kinds of screws, when it's just a battery release sliders move, then the entire panel just slides off. doh.

But, most of the time, I just need the list. I don't need a video of someone stepping through some arcane, obscure and rarely needed AD repair. Just gimme the steps and I'll take it from there. :)