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Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

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Post by hruzgar »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #4
colesantiago wrote: post #3

This is awesome. Why don't more people self host / host everything themselves these days in the age of privacy? How can we make more people self host their data rather than giving it to corporations? A start might be to tell people to use extensions that are adblockers and to disable javascript on websites and even use and setup pi-holes to take back their data and privacy. There must be more that can be done here bu…

> Why don't more people self host / host everything themselves these days in the age of privacy? Because it's a pain in the ass and people don't care enough to. People don't want the fediverse, they want an app. They don't want to know about cloud and infra primitives, they want their photos in their phone and for them to be safe and shareable. They want their iMessages and WhatsApp to JustWork(TM). > How can we make…

maybe not exactely what you're looking for (not open source and not non profit) but there is some solutions out there like this one: https://elest.io/

Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

#32

Post by rsolva »

paulnpace wrote: post #21

Video played perfectly for me, though I did leave it at 1x because I didn't want to miss anything with his accent. My only mild disappointment is he seems to feel that Mastodon is free of censorship. I've never installed or reviewed configuring Mastodon because my understanding is the someone, somewhere, can somehow interfere with what a user sees in a feed. Anyone familiar with this? Is it just default install confi…

Nothing is censorship-free, but the social web (the fediverse) is just a bunch of websites. A website can be blocked at the DNS level, but that is exceedingly rare. Other websites may choose to block your site for their community. That is the way of the web.

Each site has different rules and cultures. It's convenient to sign up at someone elses site, but you give up some control. Want to live by your own rules? Put up your own website and participate in the social web that way!

I run my own GoToSocial website, which is a Go project that is much simpler to install and maintain than Mastodon. Hit the sweetspot for me, at least.

Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

#33

Post by toomuchtodo »

hruzgar wrote: post #31
toomuchtodo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why don't more people self host / host everything themselves these days in the age of privacy? Because it's a pain in the ass and people don't care enough to. People don't want the fediverse, they want an app. They don't want to know about cloud and infra primitives, they want their photos in their phone and for them to be safe and shareable. They want their iMessages and WhatsApp to JustWork(TM). > How can we make…

maybe not exactely what you're looking for (not open source and not non profit) but there is some solutions out there like this one: https://elest.io/

More like https://discourse.org/. You can run it yourself, but you can also just have them ding a credit card every month and not think about it again. Wordpress has Automattic, and I'd like to see the same for Peertube and Mastodon. With Mastodon, one can then go to folks and say, "Heh, here is a turnkey solution to migrate to for your 1:many and social interaction needs, fully managed." As long as these applications support an S3 compatible target for backups and restores, portability is a database and object backfill and DNS switch away. If you want strong durable storage, the Internet Archive has Vault, a product that can act as long term storage of last resort for digital preservation.

Lets Encrypt serves nearly 192M websites with 13 full time staff and an annual budget of approximately $3.35M, for example.

Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

#34

Post by nightpool »

discardedrefuse wrote: post #20

I have a question that I was hoping the video would answer, but I didn't see. The Fediverse is always described with that interconnected diagram where everything talks to each other over ActivityPub. But I never see that in practice. For example: If I have a mastodon.social account, how does that work with pixelfed.social or tube.jenna.net? Do I use my mastodon.social account to sign up to those other services? Or to…

> The Fediverse is always described with that interconnected diagram where everything talks to each other over ActivityPub. But I never see that in practice.

Not sure what you mean by this—it definitely comes up a lot in practice. The top story on HN right now is an example of this in practice—it's a post from social.hackerspace.pl, which has been shared to all of the users followers on different servers. You can take a quick look at the list of reblogs on that post to see how many different servers users use: https://social.hackerspace.pl/@q3k/111528162462505087/reblog... I count 17 different servers in the first 20 users listed. Many of these are deployments of Mastodon or Akkoma, but they're all completely separate servers talking to each other over ActivityPub

> For example: If I have a mastodon.social account, how does that work with pixelfed.social or tube.jenna.net?

You can use your account and client on mastodon.social to follow accounts on tube.jenna.net and pixelfed.social. These accounts are displayed inside of the mastodon.social UI. You don't "sign up" for those instances in any way, they're just an integrated part of your following feed.

> How do the clients handle the fact that they are different services?

There is no special logic needed from clients. For Mastodon specifically, the local server that you're following from will handle the logic of translating the ActivityPub JSON sent by other services into the more limited "Mastodon API" format that clients expect. This has pros and cons—it means that clients are able to handle a more limited and predictable set of posts, but it also means that some remote content gets "squished" down into that format, just like e.g. viewing a blog inside of an RSS reader. Other clients generally use their own similar domain-specific API format

Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

#35

Post by rsolva »

discardedrefuse wrote: post #20

I have a question that I was hoping the video would answer, but I didn't see. The Fediverse is always described with that interconnected diagram where everything talks to each other over ActivityPub. But I never see that in practice. For example: If I have a mastodon.social account, how does that work with pixelfed.social or tube.jenna.net? Do I use my mastodon.social account to sign up to those other services? Or to…

You can't (yet?) log in at other websites, but you can follow anyone from any fediverse service. I follow accounts from PixelFed and PeerTube on my own self-hosted version, which feels very web native and self evident when you get used to it.

Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

#36

Post by dsr_ »

pstuart wrote: post #22
dsr_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people would like the privacy, but not the responsibility and concomitant work.

Then a goal should make the responsibility as minimal as possible (buying a box, inserting a thumb drive and answering a few questions and you're off to the races).

You misunderstand. Responsibility cannot be avoided.

- power's out at your house. You should have bought a UPS.

- internet's out at your house. You should have a router with a backup connection.

- security exploit in the wild. You should have configured automatic updates.

- update repo changed URLs. You need to change the config.

- you enabled open signups, and now strangers are distributing MP3s from your images directory. You need to kill those accounts and change the config.

- you let your cousin have an account, and now he's in a flamewar with half of Australia (which he thinks is Austria, and also he believes is ruled by the Illuminati). You need to shut that down and talk to other admins about getting off of their blocklists...

Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

#37

Post by renegat0x0 »

My problem with fediverse is that is not that well connected. There are some mastodon instances, but I am not sure if you are a user on one instance you have access to other instance.

I am not sure if we have fediverse, or if we have isolated siloses.

I am asking if that is the case.

Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

#38

Post by Zak »

elashri wrote: post #7
toomuchtodo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why don't more people self host / host everything themselves these days in the age of privacy? Because it's a pain in the ass and people don't care enough to. People don't want the fediverse, they want an app. They don't want to know about cloud and infra primitives, they want their photos in their phone and for them to be safe and shareable. They want their iMessages and WhatsApp to JustWork(TM). > How can we make…

> Because it's a pain in the ass. People don't want the fediverse, they want an app. It seems that I enjoy the pain with many other people on r/selfhosted. I will call that pleasure I feel, The Pleasure of Pain. I think that was what the web was about since the beginning and lasted for a good couple of years before targeted ads and "data became the new oil". Edit: I replied before the GP edited the comment.

> on r/selfhosted

If you're not participating in https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted from your selfhosted Lemmy/Kbin/Mastodon/etc... instance, I question your commitment.

Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

#39

Post by TechSquidTV »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #37

My problem with fediverse is that is not that well connected. There are some mastodon instances, but I am not sure if you are a user on one instance you have access to other instance. I am not sure if we have fediverse, or if we have isolated siloses. I am asking if that is the case.

I see people repeatedly misunderstand this aspect unfortunately, because it's hurting the adoption. It has no effect what instance you are on, you are all on Activity Pub. You can join any instance you want and it will be no different from joining any other instance. You can interact with anyone on any instance. This is just like how you only need to know my Email address to send me a message, you do not need to also use the same Email provider as me.

Re: My Fediverse use – I'm hosting everything myself – PeerTube, Mastodon and Lemmy

#40

Post by jonathankoren »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #37

My problem with fediverse is that is not that well connected. There are some mastodon instances, but I am not sure if you are a user on one instance you have access to other instance. I am not sure if we have fediverse, or if we have isolated siloses. I am asking if that is the case.

The servers are connected. That’s the federation.
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