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The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Re: The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Post by hiAndrewQuinn »

eu-tech-tak wrote: post #44
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #31

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The Logic of Political Survival predicts that any country with an already strong and healthy democracy which later discovers enormous natural resources will have a much better shot at overcoming the curse of resources than those where these trends are weaker. Selectorate theory is the real key here, and it's why Norway is probably going to knock it out of the park with its newly discovered phosphate deposits as well,…

>if anyone wants to help me land my first gig over in Oslo, I'm conviniently next-next door in Finland I made a website to help non-norwegian speakers find a tech/it/software job in Norway. All the job posts should be in English and only a few jobs require some Norwegian knowledge. If you know Java, .NET or JavaScript/Typescript there are a lot of well(-enough) paid jobs in Norway. https://nordictechjobs.com/jobs

Wonderful! Glad I got my reps in with C# and Azure last year.

Re: The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

riffraff wrote: post #21
tazu wrote: post #11

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If that was the case you'd see the same outcomes from Sweden, but you don't. The obvious differentiating factor seem to be oil, Norway was a poor-isj country until a few decades ago.

> Norway was a poor-isj country until a few decades ago.

Norway was already the richest country in Europe back in 1938.

After WW2 Switzerland recovered it’s number 1 spot but in the 60s Norway still had a considerably higher GDP per capita than the Netherlands, and slightly higher than the UK and France.

Re: The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Post by altacc »

fxtentacle wrote: post #38
hilux wrote: post #29

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Because ... cold causes shrinkage?!

Exercise is difficult, lack of sunlight increases depression, and very few bikini beach parties ;)

> Exercise is difficult

Which is why they invented skiing! Norwegians do quite a lot of physical exercise but it has to vary over the year. Cross country skiing is a good way to get into nature and is great full body workout. But yes, the bikini beach party season seems to be so short that I've missed it every year, unless you're talking about the quick run from the sauna to the icy sea.

Re: The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Post by gwervc »

eu-tech-tak wrote: post #44
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Logic of Political Survival predicts that any country with an already strong and healthy democracy which later discovers enormous natural resources will have a much better shot at overcoming the curse of resources than those where these trends are weaker. Selectorate theory is the real key here, and it's why Norway is probably going to knock it out of the park with its newly discovered phosphate deposits as well,…

>if anyone wants to help me land my first gig over in Oslo, I'm conviniently next-next door in Finland I made a website to help non-norwegian speakers find a tech/it/software job in Norway. All the job posts should be in English and only a few jobs require some Norwegian knowledge. If you know Java, .NET or JavaScript/Typescript there are a lot of well(-enough) paid jobs in Norway. https://nordictechjobs.com/jobs

Interesting but without salary ranges it's hard to know if it worth applying. What are typical bracket for software engineer as junior, 3 years, and 5 years of experience?

Re: The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Post by doktrin »

riffraff wrote: post #21
tazu wrote: post #11

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If that was the case you'd see the same outcomes from Sweden, but you don't. The obvious differentiating factor seem to be oil, Norway was a poor-isj country until a few decades ago.

> If that was the case you'd see the same outcomes from Sweden, but you don't.

Care to expand on that? I quite literally have no idea what you're talking about. From my POV both Sweden and Denmark provide broadly similar quality of life and wealth of opportunities to their citizens.

Re: The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Post by vidarh »

greenhexagon wrote: post #34
vidarh wrote: post #26

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> enables them to have the government programs and society they currently enjoy, rather than mistakenly thinking those programs are the source of their wealth. The person you replied to didn't seem to imply they were, but conversely asked why the US is performing as it is given its wealth compared to Norway. Average salaries in the US are far higher than in Norway, and GDP per capita, so you would think the US could…

> "American conditions" - is a term with decades of use in Norwegian politics to scare voters. Neat, I always enjoy learning about the various bits of propaganda and stereotypes that exist in different cultures and this was a new term for me. I've many times had fairly entertaining conversations with Scandinavians about what life in the US is actually like compared to their expectations. They always seem a bit in dis…

Having spent enough time in the US that the immigration officials used to flick through my passport in disbelief at the number of US stamps I had in there, I think the disbelief is entirely justified because our concern is not what life is like as someone in a good job, but what society is like somewhere with the huge disparities and huge gaps in social safety nets that are there in the US, and I've seen enough of the outcome of that first hand to know I have no desire to live in American conditions even if my job experience means I'd personally have a safe, comfortable, easy and secure life.

Re: The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

hilux wrote: post #7

This feels like over-analysis. Norway, with 0.07% of the world's population, has the world's best chess player ever. Two of the top ten bridge players. One of the very best soccer players under 25. And so on. Basically, it's a very oil-rich country that uses its wealth to invest in its people . And we see the results in every field of endeavor. Many other "rich" countries, whatever the source of their wealth, do not…

When I saw the title, what instantly flashed in my mind was Ibsen and Hamsun. Only then, as I clicked through, did I think about Fosse or Knausgård. Long before Norway became a wealthy oil nation, it had authors known on an international level. Indeed, Ibsen is referenced enough in early and mid 20th-century anglophone culture that you can see that he was a pretty popular figure, not just a concern of a tiny literary elite.

Re: The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Post by namaria »

hilux wrote: post #7

This feels like over-analysis. Norway, with 0.07% of the world's population, has the world's best chess player ever. Two of the top ten bridge players. One of the very best soccer players under 25. And so on. Basically, it's a very oil-rich country that uses its wealth to invest in its people . And we see the results in every field of endeavor. Many other "rich" countries, whatever the source of their wealth, do not…

> This feels like over-analysis.

> Many other "rich" countries, whatever the source of their wealth, do not have the same people-investment attitude.

I think this suffices to wonder why Norway achieves better outcomes and how. Doesn't seem trivial at all to me.

Re: The Norway Model: How the Scandinavian country became a literary powerhouse

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Post by mongol »

Goodroo wrote: post #36
mongol wrote: post #28

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Russia had serfdom and dictatorship for most of its history.

Isn't that much of Europe?

If we compare with the northern latitudes, which my comment was a response to: For Norway / Sweden / Finland, no not really. Serfdom did not exist in a similar form after medieval times, and neither did autocracy from late 18th / early 19th century onwards. Finland, even though part of Russia for much of this time, did not have serfdom.

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Post by 0dayz »

dontlaugh wrote: post #48
TulliusCicero wrote: post #17

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This feels like after the fact reasoning. In an alternate timeline where Norway has no oil and is poor, I can imagine someone saying, "How could you expect them to succeed? Poor farming conditions, terrible winters, hardly any natural resources beyond fish." After all, Russia also has some awful climates, and it doesn't seem to have resulted in strong social cooperation.

It resulted in such strong social cooperation that the majority of the population (the workers) succeeded in a revolution in 1917 and then for decades drastically improved their material conditions. There are of course other factors than climate.

You do realize that "the people " marching towards Moscow demanding change never happen? Instead it was apathy from the people that caused the revolution to be a success.

Where you literally had guards not caring if the revolutionaries took over the position or building?

And the material conditions did not drastically improve, the USSR struggled with living conditions until it's demise.

If anything the blatant corruption made social cooperation impossible.

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