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Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

nox100 wrote: post #140
jmcqk6 wrote: post #97

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corporal punishment is child abuse. It does not mean children can do whatever they like. You might find it difficult to find alternatives, but better alternatives than violence exists. Save your children the costs of therapy as adults, and focus on real emotional health.

do you have any repoed studies that show kids who were spanked as kids (not beaten) needed therapy as adults? AFAICT, all the parents I know that don't punish their kids have the worst kids with the most problems. I'm not saying you should spank your kids. I'm only questioning whether it actually causes any problems. I was spanked, my sister was spanked. All my cousins etc. None of us have any issues. We love our par…

"Child abuse" is a fuzzier term than many seem to acknowledge, subject to passing conventions and fads. This isn't to say there aren't obvious examples of child abuse (beating your kids, sexual abuse, gaslighting, or all sorts of emotional and psychological manipulation or whatever), but today, giving an incorrigibly disobedient child throwing an interminable tantrum a swat on the tush to shake them out of it gets CPS involved, but teaching strange ideologies approved by the state is fine (in fact, refusing to teach them is now abuse). Even worse, grotesque "medical" procedures and treatments against which that swat pales in comparison.

Generally speaking, corporal punishment as such is not abuse, either. We've just become very sentimental, operating with a flawed understanding of human nature. It shouldn't be used lightly, but it shouldn't be demonized categorically.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by LambdaComplex »

nox100 wrote: post #140
jmcqk6 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

corporal punishment is child abuse. It does not mean children can do whatever they like. You might find it difficult to find alternatives, but better alternatives than violence exists. Save your children the costs of therapy as adults, and focus on real emotional health.

do you have any repoed studies that show kids who were spanked as kids (not beaten) needed therapy as adults? AFAICT, all the parents I know that don't punish their kids have the worst kids with the most problems. I'm not saying you should spank your kids. I'm only questioning whether it actually causes any problems. I was spanked, my sister was spanked. All my cousins etc. None of us have any issues. We love our par…

Do you normally solve interpersonal conflicts in your life with physical violence?

If the answer is no: why do you think it's appropriate to do so when dealing with children?

(If the answer is yes, then consider anger management classes, I guess)

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

tiahura wrote: post #138
jmcqk6 wrote: post #97

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corporal punishment is child abuse. It does not mean children can do whatever they like. You might find it difficult to find alternatives, but better alternatives than violence exists. Save your children the costs of therapy as adults, and focus on real emotional health.

Is there a mammal that doesn’t utilize corporal punishment to set boundaries? Does every dog / chimp / giraffe that got nipped by mom for being a brat need therapy?

That's a bit of a naturalistic fallacy. At the same time, I think demonizing corporal punishment categorically is a mistake rooted in a false understanding of human nature. I see no problem caning violent criminals, for example.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by talldatethrow »

ksenzee wrote: post #101
talldatethrow wrote: post #83

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Lol you're talking about having respect for someone I assume, but then you assume there's 'intelligence' in finding a random link in the world? Let's say she was a damn genius. Do you expect her to have Google alerts setup for non official spellings of her school districts name? Is a genius supposed to be checking my browser history on my phone? How smart would she have to be to find what I wrote?

All she would have to do is see your handle once, idly and innocently wonder what it means, and google it. A curious, intelligent person might well do that. So either you don’t think she’s curious and intelligent, or you have such amazing opsec you’re positive she’ll never catch a glimpse of your handle. Judging from your original post, the first option seemed more likely.

You're correct that I don't go on my hobby time wasting websites when I'm spending time with my significant other. You should try it sometime.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by MeImCounting »

talldatethrow wrote: post #37
fumar wrote: post #30

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Smartphones. I like to think they snuck in as a communication device more so than pocket computer. As in, kids and parents wanted to stay connected for emergencies but the software grossly exceeded text or phone call capabilities. I had a Nokia 9930 to reach my folks and rarely used it outside of making calls.

I know what you mean, but I'd love to hear what kind of emergency communication a child needs to make to an adult, or adult to child. (That isn't accomplished the exact same way via the school staff)

I can think of half a dozen times that I personally needed to use a cellphone to contact a family member about something that was absolutely none of administrations business. I wouldnt want some judgmental old woman knowing about private health or emotional problems. This stance that the administration is responsible, respectful or helpful enough to field private communication through is ridiculous. The other side of that stance is that students deserve no privacy and any personal matters are within the rights of the administration to regulate. Either side of that stance seems ridiculous

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by talldatethrow »

choilive wrote: post #72
talldatethrow wrote: post #68

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I don't call her that in public.

This is a public forum..

Yes, and the words "in public" have meaning. And they don't mean on a website.

For example, I don't argue with every person I meet in public. I was actually a top 0.1% salesperson for 10 years nationwide in my industry. I do great meeting women and have fun on bars. In public I'm great. On a random website, not in public, I'm different.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by Flameancer »

Vicinity9635 wrote: post #149
donatj wrote: post #19

As a former student of a Minnesota district right outside Minneapolis, it's interesting to me that they were allowed at all. When I was in school in the late 90's / early aughts we weren't even supposed to have our Discman or early MP3 players on school property. We all had them of course, but if they were seen they could be confiscated - I think it was largely an empty threat but I never saw anyone push it. Some tea…

> They were also VERY suspicious any time you had your graphing calculator out outside math class, and some of the ruder study hall attendants would clear your calculators memory of games. That would have been a huge bummer becuase I wasn't playing games on mine, I was writing programs. It was actually the start of my professional programming career technically. I sold a copy of the program I wrote via link cable to…

Crazy because I started playing games on the calc and then at something in HS I got a new Ti-84 and student read the full manual and realized you could actually code programs in that thing.

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Post by Flameancer »

WolfeReader wrote: post #122
josephcsible wrote: post #85

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> some of the ruder study hall attendants would clear your calculators memory of games. Do you mean school-issued calculators, or personally owned ones?

Personally owned, in my former school's case.

I mean I’ve definitely heard of school testing centers at least requiring graphing calcs to have their memory wiped to stop cheating. But idk if they did it themselves or forced to students to do it before entering.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by talldatethrow »

bquinlan wrote: post #95
talldatethrow wrote: post #49

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One, students that don't listen used to be removed. So, potential totally yes. Two, I expect her to put a lot of personal effort into becoming at expert in motivation, behavior management, discipline for kids. I expect her to at least read ONE book about this. She complains for 2+ years about this that I've known her. I recommend books, she gets insulted and explains why it's not relevant. IMO a teacher being paid $9…

> IMO a teacher being paid $90k a year for 7 hours a day of work, > 10 months a year, should be working hard to improve. I don't disagree that she should work to improve, but you are using $90K as if it were a lot of money. According to census data [1], the median household income in San Ramon is $173,519/year and the median rent is $2,557/month. In San Ramon, you can get paid $65,000/year as an assistant manager at…

Did you just show me a chart where over 1/3 of the numbers are around or above $90k, and then ask me how she could be earning that number?
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