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Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by ksenzee »

talldatethrow wrote: post #83
ksenzee wrote: post #71

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38524596 is a publicly accessible URL. That’s what I meant. You’re assuming it doesn’t matter because she’s not smart enough to find it and recognize herself.

Lol you're talking about having respect for someone I assume, but then you assume there's 'intelligence' in finding a random link in the world? Let's say she was a damn genius. Do you expect her to have Google alerts setup for non official spellings of her school districts name? Is a genius supposed to be checking my browser history on my phone? How smart would she have to be to find what I wrote?

All she would have to do is see your handle once, idly and innocently wonder what it means, and google it. A curious, intelligent person might well do that. So either you don’t think she’s curious and intelligent, or you have such amazing opsec you’re positive she’ll never catch a glimpse of your handle. Judging from your original post, the first option seemed more likely.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by ksenzee »

talldatethrow wrote: post #81
talldatethrow wrote: post #68

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I don't call her that in public.

Do guys really think talking on an anonymous forum, about any one of hundreds of employees in a company, is the same as "calling someone something in public"?

Guys, hm? Fascinating.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by riversflow »

ksenzee wrote: post #69
lp0_on_fire wrote: post #50

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I’ve never bought the “we need them for emergencies” argument. Are there _that many_ emergencies happening that the school office is unable to field calls from parents who need to reach their child right now ? I don’t see the “it’s like their wallet” argument either. That the phone is expensive and it contains personal information doesn’t mean it’s not disruptive to the classroom.

You’re picturing emergencies at home. They’re picturing an emergency at school.

Neither are common though?

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by kanbara »

beaeglebeach wrote: post #65
s1artibartfast wrote: post #51

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>she has trouble controlling her own students because I believe they themselves have realized she's inconsistent and illogical, so anything goes. They do something, she says something they don't respect, they continue, she gives up This really shouldn't be surprising to anyone. Even 2 year old children can understand authority, power dynamics, and contests of will. For that matter, a 6 month old puppy will understand…

Children are often hardest on their own caregivers though, so the more you look like a parent figure the more they rebel. Of course nowadays corporal punishment is 'child abuse' so the child is emboldened knowing they can do whatever they like, including violence, with absolute impunity from physical pain.

it’s always been child abuse, just sanctioned or commonplace.

children can be raised to do the right thing without fear/pain/trauma.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by [deleted] »

jmcqk6 wrote: post #97
beaeglebeach wrote: post #65

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Children are often hardest on their own caregivers though, so the more you look like a parent figure the more they rebel. Of course nowadays corporal punishment is 'child abuse' so the child is emboldened knowing they can do whatever they like, including violence, with absolute impunity from physical pain.

corporal punishment is child abuse. It does not mean children can do whatever they like. You might find it difficult to find alternatives, but better alternatives than violence exists. Save your children the costs of therapy as adults, and focus on real emotional health.

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Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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burmer wrote: post #63
donatj wrote: post #27

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I am well aware that they don't police it. What I am questioning is the why. Why did it stop. Why have the attitudes towards personal technology in schools swung so quickly? Phones in schools seem like nothing but a distraction.

A walkman costs like what, $20? A cell phone is hundreds. Do you, as a teacher really want thousands and thousands of dollars of students' electronics stashed in your drawer?

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Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by riversflow »

pempem wrote: post #41
donatj wrote: post #27

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I am well aware that they don't police it. What I am questioning is the why. Why did it stop. Why have the attitudes towards personal technology in schools swung so quickly? Phones in schools seem like nothing but a distraction.

Honestly I generally agree with you. I dont even want my kid to have a phone but now that I have a child I am worried about them being able to call me if there is some kind of: - natural disaster - school shooting - third type of personal issue where the school doesn't share what happened Growing up I do not remember my parents having these fears despite there being a bomb scare (once during my schooling).

I read this as your peace of mind being more important than maintaining a schooling environment conducive to education. We need to protect kids, not expect our kids to protect us, which is what expecting them to be able to contact you during school is, protecting you from anxiety. This seems incredibly selfish, but not out of line for a society so incredibly narcissistic as that of American Millenials.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by Loughla »

pmorici wrote: post #14
timenova wrote: post #11

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A blanket ban on cell phones in schools will hamper teachers and staff too. Plus, the usual reason why jamming is illegal in most countries: dialling emergency numbers!

I wonder if they could wire the jamming system into the fire alarm. Pulling the alarm turns off the jamming.

I'm not going to pull the fire alarm if my friend is having an epileptic seizure.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Post by riversflow »

Octokiddie wrote: post #45

“A good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam.” -- Frederik Pohl Car, meet traffic jam. But few, if any saw this one coming. Oddly enough, today's readers would find any story based on this premise mundane - kind of like a story about a traffic jam. From the article: > “We do see a huge, huge difference in the way students are connecting with each other,” Smith said, l…

> Everyone, even, kids under 8

Is this satire? I don’t need a smartphone, anything that lets me answer a call would work, and I’m in my 30s. Always connected internet isn’t necessary, it’s a crutch.

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