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A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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Re: A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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> Not to mention all the other weird variations including haveibeenburned.com, haveigotpwned.com, haveibeenrekt.com and after someone made the suggestion following the revelation that PornHub follows me, haveibeenfucked.com That is honestly pretty hilarious of a side effect of media fame!

> haveibeenfucked.com Years ago we had friends, a couple in which the wife was pregnant. They were actually a bit embarrassed that “everyone will know that we ‘did it’”. A level of squeamishishness I could not have imagined!

The alternative sounds worse, no?

Re: A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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Troy Hunt is such a treasure. And for us web application developers, there is no excuse for not having protection against credential stuffing! While the best defense is likely two-factor [1], checking against Hunt's hashed password database is also very good and requires no extra work for users! I don't have anything to back this up, but my guess is that the vast majority of compromised user accounts comes from crede…

About a decade back, I was at an event that had an FBI employee presenting. During his presentation, he had mentioned a story of a sys admin who had been arrested for taking a hashed PW database in his company, comparing the hashes against known compromised one's (perhaps from haveibeenpwned?), and forced a password reset for everyone who had reused a password that had separately been compromised and sent an email to…

I‘m flabbergasted how broken the system is.

It sounds like it was made up, should not be so hard to find the verdict.

Re: A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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About a decade back, I was at an event that had an FBI employee presenting. During his presentation, he had mentioned a story of a sys admin who had been arrested for taking a hashed PW database in his company, comparing the hashes against known compromised one's (perhaps from haveibeenpwned?), and forced a password reset for everyone who had reused a password that had separately been compromised and sent an email to…

Besides legal, I think it's important to realize that there is a very emotional response to discovering that your password is not good. I know a company that started doing quarterly brute-forcing of passwords as a security check and the reaction to finding out that your password is not strong enough is....all sorts of emotions. If you have a 10-12 character password that may have been strong at one point but now is n…

As part of fixing security problems 20+ years ago we put together a migration process that included cracking passwords. First off we created an interface for updating your password and that interface essentially ran through all the tests that the cracking software to better ensure you'd picked something good. Passwords were expired every 90 days (remember, this was 2001. The migration first set the expiration date so that people got used to the process and then, on occasion, we'd run the passwords through a brute force attack. To your point, the users were most unhappy when their password would get cracked and expired, but that's life. 2FA, keys, etc.. is really an improvement over what we've had for such a long time.

Re: A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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Unfortunately I have no source to give. The FBI employee was just giving an example of illegal behavior he knew of. He didn't cite jurisdiction or the names of people involved. Hell - even if he did, I likely wouldn't have remembered it as this was roughly 8 years ago I was in the audience for this (I know I said roughly a decade ago in my prior post - but I checked a receipt for the event and it was in 2015).

Quite likely Randal Schwartz. "In July 1995, Schwartz was prosecuted in the case of State of Oregon vs. Randal Schwartz, which dealt with compromised computer security during his time as a system administrator for Intel. In the process of performing penetration testing, he cracked a number of passwords on Intel's systems. Schwartz was originally convicted on three felony counts, with one reduced to a misdemeanor, but…

Important aspect: he had been fired and cracked passwords while no longer an employee, to try to get rehired:

"Rather ill-advisedly, the Perl-programming guru (who's written several books on the subject) tried to prove his worth by running a password cracking package after he'd left in order to produce evidence that security practices had deteriorated since his departure. Instead of re-hiring Schwartz, as he hoped, Intel called in the police and he was charged with hacking offences."

https://www.theregister.com/2007/03/05/intel_hacker_charges_...

Re: A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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In the past decade, I wonder how many stalker victims have discovered HaveIBeenPwned as the easy directing tool that their abuser used to discover and invade their accounts and privacy.. Yes, yes, I know, the site maintains that it's the victim's responsibility, prior to any bad actor taking advantage of the service, to sign up and then disable their information from showing up in the search. Because the shock and aw…

Can you elaborate how could HIBP be used to abuse? It just checks your email is in a leak.

Re: A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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The whole situation did seem pretty exceptional when I heard it and I felt like I was being exposed to an alternate reality where lawyers made security worse for everyone. That said I struggle to believe the sys admin had competent representation.

They forced a password reset. You can use HIBT data in a way that's less disruptive.

not a crime

Re: A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

About a decade back, I was at an event that had an FBI employee presenting. During his presentation, he had mentioned a story of a sys admin who had been arrested for taking a hashed PW database in his company, comparing the hashes against known compromised one's (perhaps from haveibeenpwned?), and forced a password reset for everyone who had reused a password that had separately been compromised and sent an email to…

The FBI feeds data into Troy Hunt's database and FBI Director Christopher Wray gave Troy Hunt a medal for his work [1]. The Open Web Application Security Project's Application Security Verification Standard recommends that you do a hashed password check [2]. For bigger companies, sure, go talk to legal, but for young startups, my feeling is it's not worth the $200 or whatever your counsel will charge to say it's ok.…

It is worth it, that $200 dollars gives you lots of credibility to stand on if something should arise and you need to prove diligence, which is not at all uncommon in these cases, if legal recourse is ever saught (unlikely if you do it from day 1, I think, but never the less)

Re: A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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For what it's worth, the average tech-smarts in the legal realm and within the FBI are significantly improved compared to 8 years ago. This is just from my personal observation. That said, there are still tremendous gaps yet to be bridged with the understanding of many procecutors and lawyers as well as weird applications of the law that aren't intuitive to people whose life is technology. For example (and I caveat t…

> the physical medium you get Internet to your house determines what laws and processes the government can use to monitor your Internet traffic? I did not! Do you have / know a good explanation of the details?

From my (non-lawyer) understanding, if you have a coax cable connected to a cable modem providing Internet to your residence, your privacy is governed by https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/551

Other means of Internet getting to your residence is covered by Title 3 of the ECPA which, historically, Feds have played fast and loose with getting data from.

Re: A decade of Have I Been Pwned

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You’re doing a weird thing (running your own email domain), doing an even weirder thing (using a different address per site), and then doing an even more weirder thing (scanning your personal domain for breaches) and your supposition is that very specific use case is a cash cow for Troy Hunt? Come on.

I said cash-grab, not cash cow. A cash grab is something that has an unreasonably high profit margin. A cash cow is something that provides a significant portion of an entity's income. I have no idea if HIBP is a cash cow for Troy. It may be, given these prices, but I don't know much about his other sources of income. HIBP didn't start out as a cash-grab, but it is one now. Troy could have chosen to price it reasonab…

I can't tell whether this is a joke or not.

I would bet you that over 99.99 percent of HIBP's users do not pay for the service. Troy's time has value, so working on a service that provides no income is not really something you can expect a person to do. Troy decided to create an enterprise subscription service to get a bit of revenue from something he's created. It's not cheap, but it's not something you're meant to buy unless you're a company looking to monitor your employee email addresses. This service is pretty cheap in that regard, actually.

I really do not understand why you feel that you're being ripped off here. This is just a lack of product-user fit, his pricing structure simply doesn't work for you because you use email canaries. But for a company with 100 people, this pricing is entirely reasonable, if not something incredibly cheap.

What you're paying for is everyone who doesn't pay for the service, the time he takes to add new breaches to the service and the time he takes to develop the service.

Just because their pricing model doesn't fit you doesn't mean it's a cash grab. Is this too hard to understand?

EDIT: Also, I assumed this was a common understanding, but product pricing is based on the value it gives to the person buying. For a company of 100 people, do you think paying $160/yr is worth breach monitoring? I think for any IT department, this would be a no-brainer.

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