Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

Post by ksenzee » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 11:46 PM UTC

talldatethrow wrote: post #68

ksenzee wrote: post #66

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> People will think poorly that I’m talking down a romantic partner Well, yes. Relationships don’t do well when one of the partners has this much contempt for the other. There’s a difference between knowing in your own mind she’s not the best at her job, and calling her a “ditzy” “illogical” “girl” in public.

I don't call her that in public.

Post by Manuel_D » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 11:47 PM UTC

lozenge wrote: post #46

talldatethrow wrote: post #42

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"They do something, she says something they don't respect, they continue, she gives up." And what do you want her to do? Stop the lesson until the student respects her? Remove the student from the classroom?

Post by lp0_on_fire » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 11:49 PM UTC

axus wrote: post #52

lp0_on_fire wrote: post #50

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I’ve never bought the “we need them for emergencies” argument. Are there _that many_ emergencies happening that the school office is unable to field calls from parents who need to reach their child right now ? I don’t see the “it’s like their wallet” argument either. That the phone is expensive and it contains personal information doesn’t mean it’s not disruptive to the classroom.

What if the collected wallet/phone gets lost or stolen? That becomes the school's problem.

Post by jakeinspace » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 11:49 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #57

lozenge wrote: post #46

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"They do something, she says something they don't respect, they continue, she gives up." And what do you want her to do? Stop the lesson until the student respects her? Remove the student from the classroom?

basically yes, This is how it was when I attended a high performing highshool. Failure to engage got students moved to a remedial class so that they didnt drag others down. Outright disruptive behavior could escalate to expulsion.

Post by dxbydt » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 11:50 PM UTC

beaeglebeach wrote: post #65

s1artibartfast wrote: post #51

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>she has trouble controlling her own students because I believe they themselves have realized she's inconsistent and illogical, so anything goes. They do something, she says something they don't respect, they continue, she gives up This really shouldn't be surprising to anyone. Even 2 year old children can understand authority, power dynamics, and contests of will. For that matter, a 6 month old puppy will understand…

Children are often hardest on their own caregivers though, so the more you look like a parent figure the more they rebel. Of course nowadays corporal punishment is 'child abuse' so the child is emboldened knowing they can do whatever they like, including violence, with absolute impunity from physical pain.