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AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common. What automakers would be happy to beat would be the 911's handling.
> AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common Can you provide a list please? You are very much mistaken without getting into supercar territory.
https://www.zeroto60times.com/3-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/?... (scroll down)
Several are EVs, not true sports cars
I see from the photos it will have side mirrors now, so no side cameras after all. Still haven't heard anything about crash testing, which I'm curious about since thick stainless steel isn't what one would usually associate with crumple zones. To be sure, I wouldn't want to be hit by one if I were a pedestrian in a crosswalk.
Crash tests are shown in the release videos. It'll probably end up with a pretty decent rating. 3mm stainless steel will crumple when confronted with several tons of weight behind it. It's my understanding good front end crash tests are a bit simpler for ev's because you aren't worried about a 300 lb chunk of cast iron coming through to the front of cabin. Pedestrians be dammed apparently. This is merica.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6WDq0V5oBg&t=1088s (link to 18 minutes in)
So the $40K CyberTruck is actually $61,000 and works on the assumption of tax credits being available at the end of 2025, 2 years from now... oh, and we've gone back to the bullshit of "subtracting gas costs from the "probable price"." Another Elon lie. Four, nearly five years after initial claims - meant to be available in 2021, and 52% more expensive. "Range: 250 - 500 miles". Another lie. Try 250 - 340. 33% less.…
And CyberTruck, 1 min into the video here: https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/best-look...
The main reason I was considering the CT was the promise of 500 mile range. My biggest issue with ~300 mile range is that I can't go anywhere for actual adventures because there isn't enough charge for a round trip.
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> Even Boeing aircraft still have a mechanical linkage. Airbus has been FBW for nearly 40 years now. And recent Boeings are FBW as well, the mechanical linkages are only between the yokes, something which is not relevant on a car.
I think aeroplanes are not a good point of comparison. For one, mechanical steering is still very complicated, with many meters (miles?) of hydraulic hoses, actuators, pressure control systems etc. Two, aerospace is healthily paranoid about QA and failure modes. I'm sure a steer-by-wirw can be extremely safe when done with that mindset. But Im not sure if that's the car industry's mindset, let alone Tesla's. Finally,…
>For one, mechanical steering is still very complicated
Yes, and digital steering is by nature even more complicated.
>aerospace is healthily paranoid about QA and failure modes. I'm sure a steer-by-wirw [sic] can be extremely safe when done with that mindset
What? So if we have the right 'mindset' then we can ignore any complexity and adapt anything we want. Why even let users drive cars now? Make their fleet 100% autonomous. Just do it with a mindset of QA and safety!
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It's all ego. They need the large trucks to impress their coworkers who also have the large trucks.
Well this is sticking your head in the sand about it. People own trucks because while trucks might not be particularly good at some things, they're also not particularly bad at them. If you need to move large or heavy items occasionally, it's really handy having a truck...and the thing is, it won't be bad at doing car things either. To the specific example here, you also have the obvious missing part: people are havi…
I drive a unibody suv with full time four wheel drive. It drives like a truck and has many of the same benefits and many of the drawbacks. It's a lexus gx470 if that helps. I have given trucks careful consideration and often observe how people use them when they are driven around loaded and unloaded in the city and on the highway. My brother owns a huge ram truck which I have driven. I am also a homeowner who has made more trips to the hardware store than I would like, including buying/replacing appliances, water heater, flooring, hauling heavy lumber to build a 100 foot fence using large ten foot 6x6 posts, installing sod, and so on. I have moved across country and back and up and down the state. So maybe there are people who complain without trying to understand, but I was not complaining, nor do I lack understanding.
But I think truck culture and ego is a very real thing and when someone jacks up their truck so they now need a step to get in and out, it ruins it. There are other modifications that also ruin its utility and that is some of what I had in mind when I made my comment about ego. Also, one can see in another comment here I compare and contrast truck ownership with van ownership.
Man, this comment got rather lengthy and if anyone actually read up to this point, appreciate it. Not hostile in any way, I just find the discussion around transportation very interesting as I grew up as a car enthusiast and I find myself always looking at optimization problems and trying to come up with improvements.
God I am so disgusted by trucks as virtue/status signaling. This is just that turned up to 11. I really wish we just recognized cars as transportation and built them for that purpose, while providing alternatives. Such a misallocation of resources.
I'm a person who needs transportation, is building a house, has a family, and likes to go camping. 1 truck serves all my needs, particularly for the building a house thing. I can carry a full bed of tools, or haul plywood + drywall. I can also fit my big kayaks and camping gear. A truck gives you so much freedom and flexibility to do real work, it is very empowering. I understand that many people buy a truck and don'…
God I am so disgusted by trucks as virtue/status signaling. This is just that turned up to 11. I really wish we just recognized cars as transportation and built them for that purpose, while providing alternatives. Such a misallocation of resources.
I'm a person who needs transportation, is building a house, has a family, and likes to go camping. 1 truck serves all my needs, particularly for the building a house thing. I can carry a full bed of tools, or haul plywood + drywall. I can also fit my big kayaks and camping gear. A truck gives you so much freedom and flexibility to do real work, it is very empowering. I understand that many people buy a truck and don'…
If you own a truck for its utility then my statement doesn't apply to you. They are utility vehicles. I can safely say thought that a majority of people who own them live in the suburbs and don't use them for their intended purpose. They are just used to signal status.
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I'm a person who needs transportation, is building a house, has a family, and likes to go camping. 1 truck serves all my needs, particularly for the building a house thing. I can carry a full bed of tools, or haul plywood + drywall. I can also fit my big kayaks and camping gear. A truck gives you so much freedom and flexibility to do real work, it is very empowering. I understand that many people buy a truck and don'…
> God I am so disgusted by trucks as virtue/status signaling If you own a truck for its utility then my statement doesn't apply to you. They are utility vehicles. I can safely say thought that a majority of people who own them live in the suburbs and don't use them for their intended purpose. They are just used to signal status.
It’s difficult to judge unless you actually know people that own these type of cars.
Anyway, I was just curious what you thought the solution to the problem was, since I agree that it’s silly many people own these things but don’t need them, but also they are a very empowering tool for others. It kind of seems like a tradeoff we make.