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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by verdverm »

PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #424
XorNot wrote: post #402

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Well this is sticking your head in the sand about it. People own trucks because while trucks might not be particularly good at some things, they're also not particularly bad at them. If you need to move large or heavy items occasionally, it's really handy having a truck...and the thing is, it won't be bad at doing car things either. To the specific example here, you also have the obvious missing part: people are havi…

Most Pickup Truck Owners Don’t Actually Do Any Truck Stuff. > Only 7.0% of truck buyers frequently use their trucks to tow. About 2% of people use their trucks to tow occasionally, while 63% of owners rarely or never tow. > But at least 28% of owners frequently use their trucks for personal hauling, while 47% of owners occasionally haul. Nearly 32% of owners rarely or never haul personal items. https://www.motorbiscu…

One thing that happens when you own a truck, you get called on to help friends and family move, or pick up an oversized item. I do this a few times a year. Multiple people benefit from my truck ownership.

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Post by adfm »

twobitshifter wrote: post #422
adfm wrote: post #88

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Bed does not fit a full sheet of plywood, so a deal-breaker for practical truck buyers. You’d assume 96” would be a default parameter in any generative model focused on “optimum truck.” Am I missing something? Enlighten me.

That’s why I rent the Home Depot truck with the 10’ bed for $25. Manufacturers found people want a second row instead of a longer bed at some point, must have been some convincing A/B testing in the 90s.

The Home Depot truck is an actual truck. Anything with a second row and a bed less than 8' is a truck-shaped car.

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Post by keikobadthebad »

juli1pb wrote: post #430
danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

Do you mean something like Aptera? https://aptera.us/ This really excites me. I had 2 Cybertruck reservations, I cancelled them and ordered an Aptera. I think this is what we really need: smaller car with efficiency in mind.

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

cmac2992 wrote: post #252
ttfkam wrote: post #164

I see from the photos it will have side mirrors now, so no side cameras after all. Still haven't heard anything about crash testing, which I'm curious about since thick stainless steel isn't what one would usually associate with crumple zones. To be sure, I wouldn't want to be hit by one if I were a pedestrian in a crosswalk.

Crash tests are shown in the release videos. It'll probably end up with a pretty decent rating. 3mm stainless steel will crumple when confronted with several tons of weight behind it. It's my understanding good front end crash tests are a bit simpler for ev's because you aren't worried about a 300 lb chunk of cast iron coming through to the front of cabin. Pedestrians be dammed apparently. This is merica.

> Pedestrians be dammed apparently. This is merica.

With that shape and with steel panels there is absolutely zero change of survival for pedestrians with this. You are hit, you are dead.

I thought the SUV mega monster trend was a huge setback in Vehicle Design but somehow Tesla found a way to surpass that.

We have set ourselves so far back. It will be decades into the future before we are able to reverse this reptilian brain meme of vehicle arm's race purchases'.

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Post by [deleted] »

thechao wrote: post #266
al_borland wrote: post #169

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From what I’ve heard, trucks are huge now due to various fuel efficiency regulations. A big truck is easier to make with fewer regulations. It seems like all the electric trucks want to prove they are bigger and tougher than the ICE trucks, but it seems like the perfect platform for small trucks, as the the efficiency standards would become a moot point. I’m looking for trucks like the old Ford Ranger from the late 9…

A guy at work has a Ford Ranger EV (I think it's the '97?); he's upgraded the battery & the charger. It'd be my ideal vehicle if they were produced, again.

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Post by angoragoats »

WheatMillington wrote: post #305
danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

$50k Cybertruck will never exist, any more than $30k Model 3 existed.

The initial Cybertruck announcement had the three trim levels priced at $39,990, $49,990, and $69,990. This is a price increase of between $21k and $30k, across the board. The original top-level $69,990 trim also advertised a 500-mile range, which is now down to 320 miles. Were they just making shit up? If I had put a deposit down back in 2019 I'd be pretty upset.

Edit: I just looked and Musk himself has stated that there have been over 1 million preorders/deposits for this vehicle. So they collected at least $100MM of customer money based on completely made up pricing/specs. WTF.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

callalex wrote: post #275
shepherdjerred wrote: post #172

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This doesn't seem very different than advertising a price after a rebate. Saving $1,200 a year on gas seems reasonable if you pay $4/gal and fill up a 14gal tank twice a month. I'm not sure about the tax credit -- I assume those are guaranteed to whoever purchases the vehicle, but maybe that's not the case.

How would you feel if a Prius was advertised thousands of dollars under the actual number of dollars you pay for the car because of “fuel savings compared to a Camero over 5 years”? Or is it only OK when Tesla does it?

> Or is it only OK when Tesla does it?

There's no reason to assume I'm biased towards Tesla here.

If any carmaker wanted to say "our car is X% more efficient, and the average person could reasonably expect to save $Y", and then discount that from the sticker price, I would be okay with that.

I don't think it's deceptive at all as long as the estimate is reasonable, and as long as there is clear communication about the sticker price vs the price after savings.

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Post by defrost »

adfm wrote: post #431
neogodless wrote: post #97

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Every full size pick-up truck defaults to a 6-6.5' foot bed size (in modern times). Some offer 8' beds but it's relatively rare in practice (as in, most people opt for a quad/crew cab without the long bed). All of them can handle 8' plywood with the bed down, just like this 6' bed on the Cybertruck. Even the Ford Maverick can handle an 8' sheet of plywood by using an adjusted-height tailgate and the wheel wells. http…

Trucks are meant to haul. Anything with less than an 8' bed are truck-shaped cars for all practical purposes and should be taxed accordingly because they're a waste of resources and contribute to the decline of the environment. Crew cabs are just an excuse to drive around in something truck-shaped. The term is carpool not truckpool. If you're driving to and from a job site with others in the vehicle, it's either part…

> Trucks are meant to haul.

Agreed.

> Anything with less than an 8' bed ...

WTF? Doesn't your truck have a Hayman-Reese hitch, anti swaybars, various carry racks; don't you have several different trailers - single and double axle, light weight and heavy tonnage, caravans and animal floats?

I'm starting to wonder if, in fact, you've got any kind of working vehicle setup at all.

Crew cabs are so you can haul a fire pump trailer out to spot blazes with four people, tools, along with bulk water tank pumps, etc.

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Post by rainsford »

yreg wrote: post #433
screye wrote: post #384

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For the longest time, a section of the car enthusiast community has said that 'slow car fast is better than fast car fast'. Now a days, it is taken to mean that a light car that is fast enough is always more fun than a heavier car, no matter how fast. The Tesla Cybertruck might be the best example of this phenomenon. At 7000 lbs and a high ground clearance, there is no amount of power that can make this car feel nimb…

> At 7000 lbs and a high ground clearance, there is no amount of power that can make this car feel nimble. Why do you believe that? (I assume you have not test driven it.) From the videos it seems to feel very nimble.

I have admittedly not test driven it, but there's certain fundamental physical realities that are pretty hard to overcome. Ride height and vehicle weight universally negatively impact handling on the road because they increase your momentum, center of gravity, suspension travel, etc. Weight in particular is hard to counteract because going around a corner relies on being able to redirect that mass using only the friction generated by the contact patch of the tires. Unless Tesla has found unobtanium tires or figured out how to negate the laws of physics, cornering at any kind of speed in a cybertruck is going to suck compared to a lighter vehicle.
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