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Re: UniFi Express

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Post by izacus »

Macha wrote: post #236
izacus wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I guarantee you approximately everyone that does not work in tech has one AP, the one provided by their ISP. Unifi already has a range of prosumer products, this is them moving into the consumer space. I'm not sure what are you trying to say with this - yes, obviously, people who don't buy extra APs don't have extra APs, but why are they relevant to conversation about UniFi prosumer products? It's not like UniFi cu…

This isn't a prosumer product. You aren't adding these to an existing Unifi install. The prosumer version of this device is the UDR. This is Unifi releasing a cheap consumer product so when you, as a person who knows their tech stack, need to suggest a all in one device for someone who would otherwise have just an ISP router, there is a product that costs in the same price range as the netgears and tp-link devices in…

This absolutely is a prosumer product - by your own sentence: normal customers do not buy routers and APs like this. They use their ISP gear with maybe something much cheaper added once in a while.

Re: UniFi Express

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Post by donatj »

lldb wrote: post #127
donatj wrote: post #79

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$200 for a router without a built-in wireless AP isn't what I would call a deal for a home router.

Arguably, > 1G is outside the range of home equipment as most consumers have no need for it. You're asking a 2.5G router, a WiFi 6 AP, and a multi-gig switch all in one package. Most people who care about these also know better than to buy an all-in-one router since they are typically very limited in configuration options, especially if you need any sort of routing tables. ASUS has some all-in-ones with 2x 10GbE port…

I disagree. Maybe 5 years ago that was true, but I have very affordable Comcast home internet that is 1.2gb - and it's only expected to get faster. I know very few people who don't have gigabit these days. Between Cable and Fiber it's cheap and regularly available.

The market is undeserving the everyday consumer.

It's why there are multiple YouTube channels dedicated to reviewing Chinese no-name 2.5gb switches from AliExpress. The big names have just turned to blind eye to pump out the same outdated devices they've been pumping out for years.

Re: UniFi Express

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Post by geraldhh »

flumpcakes wrote: post #172

I want to like UI products, they seem to be the choice for prosumer equipment, but the lack of 10Gb networking is disappointing. WiFi 6/6e is multi-Gig but most devices only have the capacity to route/switch at the line rate of the physical ports. This is probably asking for too much but I would a set-up that allows me to operate at home: - 10Gb router (packet switching to fully saturate the number of physical ports)…

gbit speeds are usually good enough for the majority of applications. even your 6e ap will not archive more than a gbit in most real world scenarios (not testing).

the tables turn slowly, but the mass market for 10gig is just not here yet besides all-10gig soho switches beeing available for some time now.

major point: 10gig uses vastly more power than 1gig, making integration (esp. in laptops) challenging.

other point: ids/dpi at 10gig line speed is challenging, requiring a powerful cpu on the router and flawless integration.

Re: UniFi Express

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Post by [deleted] »

InTheArena wrote: post #228

This thread is kinda bonkers. People complain about the USG3 not being able to route 1gb/s (IIRC, it's 10 years old, and always capped at 250mb/s), or the UDMP Pro at 10GB/s IDS/IDP (It can run at 2.5GB/s with IDP and IDS). Wireguard and policy based routing (which is why most people were sticking away from their routers) are in place, and far simpler to maintain then alternating options from PFSense and Cisco. The m…

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Re: UniFi Express

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Post by verall »

Macha wrote: post #216
izacus wrote: post #124

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Having a few APs to cover a house is far from"advanced" setup. We live in times where lawn movers need wifi.

I guarantee you approximately everyone that does not work in tech has one AP, the one provided by their ISP. Unifi already has a range of prosumer products, this is them moving into the consumer space. The limitation is totally product segmentation, since their prosumer equivalent all in one (the UDR) costs double, but that's fine, I feel. It's not like they're raising the price of the existing offerings because this…

Google fiber and ATT both give out 2 WAPs in my area which will auto-mesh.

Re: UniFi Express

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Post by koinedad »

wredue wrote: post #238
InTheArena wrote: post #228

This thread is kinda bonkers. People complain about the USG3 not being able to route 1gb/s (IIRC, it's 10 years old, and always capped at 250mb/s), or the UDMP Pro at 10GB/s IDS/IDP (It can run at 2.5GB/s with IDP and IDS). Wireguard and policy based routing (which is why most people were sticking away from their routers) are in place, and far simpler to maintain then alternating options from PFSense and Cisco. The m…

And also, $192 is not at all a bad price tag. It’s actually a bit surprising as UI stuff is classically viewed as a bit overpriced. That said, I have a UniFi router and 3 wifi 6 APs and my network is super solid. Way better than any prosumer targeted router (note that I previously ran 3 netgear nighthawk). The UniFi stack was actually cheaper and is unquestionably more reliable. If you’re looking at those very high e…

I have the same basic setup and it’s been so refreshing having a network that just works.

I was an old AirPort Express user and after trying other WiFi setups like netgear, etc this has been night and day. And moving was a breeze, unplug, get internet service, and plug in

Re: UniFi Express

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

izacus wrote: post #198
cedilla wrote: post #158

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If you need 6 or more unifi devices, that's quite advanced. And quite a large area. If you have such a big house and also need WiFi for your fancy lawn mower, I can't shed a tear for the 149 USD budget unifi decice not being adequate for you.

2 floor house + Outside is immediately 3 APs. You'll also need at least one PoE switch to power them. That's 4 devices already, without adding anything else like security cameras or similar.

We live in a 3 floor 1800 sq.ft. house, with have a garage that is 300 ft away. My single UAP-AC-LR manages to cover this quite nicely, only the far corner of the garage has poor connection, out in the garden it's excellent.

Unless all the walls in your house are heavily reinforced concrete, I don't see how you need that many APs.

Re: UniFi Express

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Post by joshspankit »

smcleod wrote: post #83
joshspankit wrote: post #78

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Exactly my thought. Why not just spend the little extra and do 2.5G ports. There is one potential hurdle though: they specifically mention that it can handle 1G of traffic even if you enable a bunch of features. They would have had to upgrade the processors to be able to make the same claim at 2.5

That's with all the features on though right? I'm sure a lot of folks wouldn't be using VPN, deep packet inspection, ad blocking, a large number of routes and vlans, IDS, caching etc all at once, it hardly takes any CPU processing to simply route 2.5G (or hell, even 10G) through a firewall.

Solid points, but there’s a little bit of history (the details are fuzzy for me so apologies to anything I get wrong): When 1Gbps internet connections were starting to be widely available Unifi put out some “1Gbps” products that could only route 1Gbps with nothing turned on. It quickly dropped to 300Mbps if someone wanted to use any of the Unifi features and people called them out.

If they are making it a point to address that in this current product I feel like they want to make sure that type of call out doesn’t happen again.

Re: UniFi Express

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Post by wredue »

forward1 wrote: post #235

Always been intrigued by UniFi stuff, is it still the case you need an app to set up and configure their devices? I don't have an app store, and they don't publish their app elsewhere, so this was always a non-starter for me, and a weird design choice at that.

You can deploy instances of their config software at will. There are docker containers out there for you.

This device runs UniFi Network so it can host the configuration.

There is the cloudkey that can host the config

There are routers that host the config in their product line.

I don’t think it’s ever been the case that you “need” the app.

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