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Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by izacus »

nebula8804 wrote: post #110
dotancohen wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no arguments about Blu-ray specifically, but with no open implementation I have general concern for the viability of the files. And relying on hardware working at all is a fickle proposition, even across the span of months or years.

You do have the ability to strip the DRM from the BR and burn or archive a copy of the content sans DRM. Of course you still have to contend with maintaining the longevity of the medium that the data is stored on but at least the content is free and in the clear for eternity.

Did they crack AACS 2 yet? A couple of years ago it was still a problem to backup UHD BRs.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by nebula8804 »

izacus wrote: post #151
nebula8804 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do have the ability to strip the DRM from the BR and burn or archive a copy of the content sans DRM. Of course you still have to contend with maintaining the longevity of the medium that the data is stored on but at least the content is free and in the clear for eternity.

Did they crack AACS 2 yet? A couple of years ago it was still a problem to backup UHD BRs.

I've been able to rip 4K UHD but only using specific models of drive. (some LG drives). Would really like to use Pioneer as they are more reliable but they are not cracked yet(as far as I know).

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

pravus wrote: post #69
nickff wrote: post #26

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I’ve heard many “pirates” say similar things, and when their condition is met, they find a new demand. Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Why not just buy physical media where available, and abstain where an acceptable legal option is not provided?

> Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Because in addition to all the filthy pirated booty I stole, I would also show them this: * My 350+ physical CD collection * My 200+ physical DVD/Blu-Ray * My entire merch collection for Nine Inch Nails (>$1000) * My entire merch collection for Rings of Saturn (>$1000) * My merch collection from many, many, many other bands * Pages of receipts from Bandcamp and other e-med…

I think it's perfectly reasonable to refuse to do business with the media companies who are, indeed, evil and dishonest in how they do business. By all means, never give them another dime.

But you also don't have the right to decide "but I still want to consume the content that comes out in the future" and take it without paying. Doing that is no better, morally, than this shit which Sony is pulling. It's taking something which doesn't belong to you. If one does that, then their ideals are hollow and they really were just rationalizing their own selfish behavior. I'm not accusing you specifically of that, but it is depressingly common.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by Ekaros »

rvz wrote: post #48

This is exactly why digital content under a subscription such as PlayStation Plus or Xbox Game Pass is a total scam no matter how long you have subscribed to the service. You never owned the content in the first place. Buy the physical medium.

With those you know you are not buying them, but getting subscription. Like any other digital subscription they offer access to large library of products for pretty reasonable price.

Then again a digital newspaper subscription be a scam as well if they did not offer you full permanent access to all issues released during time you subscribed.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by faeriechangling »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #83
McDyver wrote: post #5

> you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed Content you purchased. Their wording. Not content you rented, not license you paid for. They are effectively stealing the content you purchased.

From Louis Rossmann on YouTube: "If paying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing." (shamelessly copied from the top comment on /r/piracy on this very subject)

Correct. Copyright infringement is... infringement. Not piracy or stealing.

People treat infringement with more of a Robin Hood mentality than normal stealing since you're copying rather than taking, and because big Intellectual Property Owners all happen to be tax cheats who all do fraudulent accounting to claim their profits all come from their Irish subsidiary yet feel entitled to government enforced monopolies on intellectual property.

You generally get sympathy if you're poor and infringing or being infringed, and don't if you're rich.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by dehrmann »

rchaud wrote: post #129
dehrmann wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't actually "purchase" physical media. It's still licensed. The question for digital purchases is how perpetual the license is. This is different from Spotify and Netflix where you clearly are renting it, and there's no confusion over that.

You can do whatever you want to with physical media, license be damned. Most people won't go further than making a physical copy to load on to their NAS. This is a license violation, but there won't be any enforcement because mass distribution via torrents is a much bigger threat.

Let me know how your unlicensed movie theater goes.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #116
MegaDeKay wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Louis Rossmann on YouTube: "If paying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing." (shamelessly copied from the top comment on /r/piracy on this very subject)

I'd add that if you paid a price similar to buying a physical copy then it's a stronger case. And most of these digital 'buy' prices have literally no discount compared to a Blu-ray, which is shameless.

When the price is the same you're still getting the short end of the stick when you 'buy' digitally.

Digital license has lower quality video and audio

You cannot re-sell your digital license

You have a non-zero chance that your license will get revoked

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by stonecharioteer »

saiya-jin wrote: post #135
riffic wrote: post #75

Piracy is morally justifiable if this is the alternative.

Piracy is a complex topic, no need to reduce it into black/white trivial one. Say you grew up as poor (90% of the world easily) and buying 1 original music CD equals to a week of net salary of your hard working parents just routed to that. This was the situation of me and all my peers when I was growing up. There was simply not an option to buy it legally, unless you accepted to go few days in full hunger mode (which…

This is what a lot of anti-piracy outfits do not understand. There is content I as an Indian can either not access because it is geographically limited or because it is just not within my means. Granted, lately the second problem has vanished.

If I hadn't pirated games as a kid, I would not have bought my PS5 or my Nintendo Switch or the Steam Deck. My Steam account has, like everyone else's, a few hundred games now and it's also full of games I once pirated. Funnily enough I haven't played them after purchasing them. But I bought these so I can install them easily. I'm still mad that I cannot find a legal copy of TMNT Out of the Shadows so I have to resort to using piracy for it but that doesn't work on the deck and I need to maintain a Windows PC if I want to play it.

I recently cancelled my Netflix Subscription and bought 6 8TB drives to build a NAS. I haven't gotten around to it yet but I've been downloading a couple of shows I've watched previously and miss, some of which can't be found on OTT in India.

If in 2023 you are telling me I cannot watch something because I am in India or because the production company simply didn't put it on a streaming platform, that gives me impetus to pirate it.

And if you have a show but without either certain episodes for the sake of censorship or if you're missing entire seasons even though it's been a year or more, that is definitely grounds for piracy.

It's even worse with manga and comics. I cannot legally gain access to some manga because they're not sold here and because I can't find them online. Tachiyomi exists and I love it.

Don't even get me started on how ebooks are fleecing us all. I switched to a Boox from a Kindle and I love my decision.

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