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Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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https://uselullaby.com "Lullaby can lower your Tinnitus' volume and improve your quality of life with an experimental treatment designed specifically for you." I'm just promoting this because I've tried this myself and it kind of helps. At least to relax when the noise gets too painful to bear My case is linked to the neurovascular conflict, but the tool is for the brain, so I hope it helps someone else too.

why do you need this paid service? seems they're monetizing 1 audio clip here's a YouTube video that does the same thing https://youtu.be/qNf9nzvnd1k?si=HCFBFkuTCeVd2d_9

Lullaby is free. It's notched white noise, with an interactive test to help you find the notch frequency for your tinnitus. So not the same as this youtube clip, which is just an ascending sine tone.

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I used to have tinnitus. I suppose I still technically do, but it appears much more rarely, and when it does, I can make it stop entirely in just a few seconds. So I'm basically "free" of it these days.

Two things I learned over the years:

1. Tinnitus seems related to dopaminergic neurotransmission (or faults thereof.)

I have ADHD, but I didn't know it until I was an adult. Growing up, I would often get episodes of tinnitus. After being medicated for ADHD, these episodes became much more rare, and also exclusively now only occur at the end of the day, when my meds are half worn-off already.

I've seen many journal papers correlating tinnitus to various dopaminergic dysfunctions. For example, people who develop tinnitus in old age are apparently also more likely to develop parkinsonism, and vice-versa.

If you've noticed that you're developing tinnitus, then you might want to raise the possibility with your GP that you could have some undiagnosed problem with dopamine. Get screened for ADHD if you haven't; get tested for Parkinson's if you're the right age; etc. If it turns out that you have one of these chronic diseases and didn't know it — well, treating it on its own will probably change your life, but it'll potentially also help your tinnitus!

2. However, tinnitus also seems related to some physical process in the ear.

I've learned that, when the high-pitched ringing starts in one ear, I can instantly stop it — not just push it into the background, but literally silence it like pressing "stop" on an alarm — by using my finger to essentially plunge my ear: putting my finger into my ear canal just deeply enough and then twisting, resulting in a pressure seal like in-ear earbuds try to achieve; and then lightly — but quickly — pushing and pulling the trapped air-pressure in and out inside the ear canal, using the finger. After doing this for about 30 seconds (during which the tinnitus won't seem to change), my eardrum and ear canal both begin to feel warm. Once that happens, I then unplug the finger from my ear. At the moment I do, the tinnitus stops.

Presumably, the "plunging" action is in turn flexing my eardrum inward and outward. Basically it's acting like high-amplitude 1Hz infrasound. I'm not sure what this does that helps, but it certainly does help, consistently.

(If you're wondering: I've also had otitis media before, so I know what the sensation of my eustachian tube being blocked with fluid/crud, creating a pressure imbalance of the middle ear, feels like; and what unplugging the eustachian tube + rebalancing that pressure feels like. This isn't that! It's entirely an interaction between my finger, my eardrum, and maybe the bones of the middle ear. My ears are currently 100% clear of detritus on either side of the eardrum according to a recent ENT visit — and yet this procedure still works.)

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I developed tinnitus during a bout of COVID last week. On about the third day I had an earache in one ear. Earache went away after about a day but now I have pretty strong tinnitus in that ear. COVID symptoms long gone now but tinnitus remains. 'Volume' is negligible when I wake up but increases over the day. I still feel some 'pressure' in that ear (maybe residual sinus infection?) so I'm hoping it will heal on its…

My tinnitus started days after my first covid shot. Plenty of people have reported tinnitus after covid or the shots. Mine is very mild but it's still annoying.

Has yours been improving at all? Mine started (just in the left ear) about 48hrs after my 3rd Pfizer shot and remained loud for ~8months. Several months of noticeable dissipation followed by true silence at about the 1-year mark. Thought I was in the clear but it's started again out of nowhere this fall. I'm optimistic it will improve again and can probably be controlled with better lifestyle habits but at this stage is something I feel I will be managing forever. I've seen ENT's and audiologists but they're unable to help past confirming my inner ear and hearing are fine. In 2022 John Stewart had some infectious disease experts on his podcast and one of the epidemiologists stated that he got tinnitus from his 2nd vaccine, and his 3rd exacerbated it. It was at that point that I realized it had to be somewhat common.

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> pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Have you tried pulling up to make it less noticeable? I’ve long suspected my neck muscles had something to do with making tinnitus worse. Or, like you said, maybe there is a correlation or interaction with head & neck muscles that isn’t causal but nonetheless seems to affect the symptoms. Cervical traction, i.e. a device that pulls up on your head, sometimes seem…

Interesting, that may help but if so only slightly. I wonder if an inversion table would help identify whether this helps/is a factor.

I think an inversion table might help my tinnitus slightly maybe but not much… it mostly helps and puts tension on the lower back, and a lot less on the neck. Inversion, or lumbar traction, seem to help with sciatica. (And yeah, that’s another one where it seems like there’s an interaction between muscles and nerves.)

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I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

Yes, this is called somatic tinnitus and is actually quite common. Like you, I had this since I was a little child and thought this was normal. Only when I first heard of tinnitus as a juvenile, I realized that this is what I had.

There have been small studies regarding somatic tinnitus, see for instance

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2633109/

For modifying tinnitus loudness, the most common is that it increases when clenching the jaw. In the above paper, the cerebral blood flow was measured with PET, and for people with somatic tinnitus, when clenching their jaw, in addition to the sensory-motor areas, the auditory cortex became activated as well. However, the underlying reason is unknown.

In my case, I had pretty severe hearing loss as a little child because of liquid in my middle ear. Due to that, I continuously had my mouth open so that I could hear at least a little bit through the eustachian tubes, and I guess this might have influenced the interactions between these brain regions. But who knows. In the end, my parents realized what's going on and I got tympanostomy tubes, and I'm hearing fine now. Of course I don't know if the tinnitus really comes from that, because I cannot remember (I must have been around 3 years old).

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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https://uselullaby.com "Lullaby can lower your Tinnitus' volume and improve your quality of life with an experimental treatment designed specifically for you." I'm just promoting this because I've tried this myself and it kind of helps. At least to relax when the noise gets too painful to bear My case is linked to the neurovascular conflict, but the tool is for the brain, so I hope it helps someone else too.

why do you need this paid service? seems they're monetizing 1 audio clip here's a YouTube video that does the same thing https://youtu.be/qNf9nzvnd1k?si=HCFBFkuTCeVd2d_9

It's free and opensource https://github.com/Aerolab/lullaby, like it should be

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Lemme guess, somewhat narrow palate, slightly recessed jaw. Unable to breathe exclusively through the nose during high intensity workout. Possible indications of sleep apnea. If they're detecting nerve damage, it's happening from nerve compression. Tinnitus being a manifestation of the compressed nerve. I would bet money rapid palatal expansion with a proper midpalatal suture split would cure you.

Had braces for years, they removed 4 molars, was horrible, now my smile is too narrow, breathing bad, got TMJ, tongue too big for mouth, recessed chin look worse etc. Why is it that orthodontics used this method? I can see locally it's still only some dentists that seem to use palate expansion when it's seemingly easier, prettier, quicker, healthier etc. than teeth removal + braces? Thinking about removing my retaine…

You're on the right track

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Most people having a peeep tone tinnitus including myself can experience complete silence for a few seconds (up to 30) by listening to a tone at the specific frequency of their Tinnitus. For example listen to the following, at a level that it isn't uncomfortable and your Tinnitus might be gone for a short time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNf9nzvnd1k This is called residual inhibition. You can Google "tinnitus re…

Well if tinnituses arises from the brain not having an input, then it seems like the proper way to fix it is to restore the input. Now restoring damage to the nerve or those little hairs inside the ear, I'm sure that's tricky, but it also seems like it should be quite doable if you just throw resources at it. This seems promising? https://hms.harvard.edu/news/scientists-regenerate-hair-cell...

Biggest project to restore hair cells and ultimately hearing is probably this one: https://hearinghealthfoundation.org/hearing-restoration-proj...

It was shown in a couple of papers that we can restore hair cells in mammals. Damaged hair cells are the root cause for the majority of people with hearing loss & tinnitus. The most promising path seems to use so called supporting cells in the inner ear and convert them into hair cells. Researchers are getting closer and closer every year. I think we are now at a point where it's not a question of if but rather when.

Here is a quote from one of the leading scientist in the field:

What is needed to help make HRP goals happen? Frankly, funding to keep our research moving forward. A postdoctoral fellow with five to six years of training starts out on a modest salary of about $45,000, plus $12,000 in benefits. So that’s $57,000 before they even pick up a test tube in the lab. Each person will typically use between $15,000- $20,000 a year in supplies and chemicals. Simply maintaining a single cage of mice for one year costs $210, and my lab can use between 300-500 cages of mice for our experiments! HHF and its donors have been extremely generous in their support, however with additional funding the output from the consortium could be significantly greater and accelerate the pace to a cure.

Link: https://hearinghealthfoundation.org/spotlight/groves

Overall the field of hearing restoration still only receives tiny amounts of funding (Best bet at this point is probably when a former big tech executives would get hearing loss/tinnitus and then decides to put real money behind the problem. Bryan Johnson who created the Blueprint program has hearing loss but I guess he is not wealthy enough to make a difference.

EDIT (to put numbers into perspective):

The size of the problem: Sensorineural hearing loss disables over 360 million people worldwide. Irrespective of its cause and severity, hearing loss can have a large impact on people’s health and well-being. The treatment of hearing loss is currently limited to the use of hearing aids or devices surgically implanted in the middle or inner ear. These devices often perform poorly in noisy environments and can be very costly. It has been estimated that the costs of untreated hearing loss are €213 billion in Europe alone each year.

The funding (EU): An international consortium of 7 partners has been awarded a €5,8 million European Commission Horizon 2020 grant to develop and test a new drug to treat hearing loss caused by the loss of sensory hair cells.

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I have tinnitus which I managed to cure(almost. In complete silence I still can hear a teapot-like sound but the original single tone high volume sound is no more). Turns out it’s about my neck. I religiously paid attention to my neck position and fixed my posture, and as a result, my tinnitus gradually disappeared. If I sit in a bad position or sometimes do some weird move, my tinnitus can return but I immediately s…

Mine was caused by my neck as well! At some point I was contemplating suicide because it got so bad. Completely healed with dry needle theraphy.

The worst part, no one takes your condition seriously. Glad to hear that you are well too.
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