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Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by Nextgrid »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #30
Nextgrid wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can definitely live like a hermit, but the problem is that more and more things don't have open alternatives. > make it harder for the next ios / android alternative If the regulation prevents an alternative from being malicious I see that as a good thing?

> You can definitely live like a hermit, but the problem is that more and more things don't have open alternatives. This site is called "Hacker News", and not "Technology Hipster News". Since you likely are a hacker, you should have a pretty good idea what to do ... :-)

You're at least a decade late if you think "hacking" (in the sense of building things) is going to get you out of this situation. The problem with these platforms is network effects and lack of interoperability and not in the technical effort required to build an alternative.

This is in fact where regulation can help (and like the EU's DMA already attempts to) get us back to a state where you can actually "hack" your way out of it by building an alternative that will be viable because it can interoperate with the incumbents.

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Or, are you suggesting piracy? I mean I sure know what to do, but none of my non-technical friends know, and frankly I'd rather live in a world where I can just pay a reasonable sum and not have to spend time maintaining a Plex/Jellyfin/*arr stack.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by ummzokbro »

Semaphor wrote: post #19
mika69 wrote: post #2

Piracy at it again.

This is not piracy. Piracy is duplicating content, this is theft. From what I was told by mafiaa, this should be punished harshly.

Piracy is an act of robbery or criminal violence by ship or boat-borne attackers upon another ship or a coastal area, typically with the goal of stealing cargo and other valuable goods.(1)

This term was coopted by the MAFIAA because literal descriptions such as file sharing or unauthorized copying are not objectionable to the general public who see them as minor / insignificant and thus are not sensational enough to draw the outrage needed to enact disproportionate criminal penalties(3) and thus preserve their monopolistic(2) profits.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy

2 - By way of ridiculously long copyright terms or distribution oligopolies / monopolies

3 - See 'conspiracy to commit' charges carrying de-facto life in prison penalties

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by stavros »

causality0 wrote: post #40
stavros wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstand, I'm not trying to convince rights holders. I hope they go out of business, and I hope my piracy is what does it. It's just that, knowing myself, I know I wouldn't bother with the hassle of pirating if there were a better alternative, like I stopped pirating games and just buy them on Steam now.

Well said. Users pirating content vs the largest companies on earth fucking users in every way they can possibly get away with is a great example of "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".

They don't just fuck users, they fuck their employees as well. How many writers' strikes have there been now? How much of an open secret was Weinstein raping and abusing actresses?

I hope the whole system dies, and maybe something better will take its place. I'm sure I won't miss Guardians of the Galaxy XXIV.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by A1kmm »

Semaphor wrote: post #32
tomjakubowski wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GP's sardonic point was that this sort of thing is more analogous to actual piracy than torrenting is -- people are actually being deprived of things they purchased here.

Yeah, I got that, but I thought this was a good time to point out that this is actual theft.

Or depending on the facts maybe closer to fraud in many jurisdictions. If Sony knew that they didn't have the right to allow customers to watch the content perpetually, but they intentionally deceived them by using words like 'purchase' to make them think they did, then perhaps in many jurisdictions this would be intentional deception to secure unlawful gain, i.e. fraud, on a massive scale.

If this was a genuine mistake on Sony's part, and not intentional deception maybe it is more a civil product liability matter (as long as they refund customers) rather than a criminal one.

Disclaimer: IANAL, not legal advice.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by Semaphor »

ummzokbro wrote: post #43
Semaphor wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not piracy. Piracy is duplicating content, this is theft. From what I was told by mafiaa, this should be punished harshly.

Piracy is an act of robbery or criminal violence by ship or boat-borne attackers upon another ship or a coastal area, typically with the goal of stealing cargo and other valuable goods.(1) This term was coopted by the MAFIAA because literal descriptions such as file sharing or unauthorized copying are not objectionable to the general public who see them as minor / insignificant and thus are not sensational enough to…

I know. But the word had been redefined by them, and then we might as well throw it back into their amoral faces.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by kaladin-jasnah »

stavros wrote: post #28
nickff wrote: post #26

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I’ve heard many “pirates” say similar things, and when their condition is met, they find a new demand. Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Why not just buy physical media where available, and abstain where an acceptable legal option is not provided?

You misunderstand, I'm not trying to convince rights holders. I hope they go out of business, and I hope my piracy is what does it. It's just that, knowing myself, I know I wouldn't bother with the hassle of pirating if there were a better alternative, like I stopped pirating games and just buy them on Steam now.

Gabe Newell himself said "piracy is a service problem," and it really shows because buying on Steam is 10x more convenient as a Linux user than pirating the game.

Especially with Linux gaming, I think Valve has made it more convenient to just buy games.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by stavros »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #49
stavros wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstand, I'm not trying to convince rights holders. I hope they go out of business, and I hope my piracy is what does it. It's just that, knowing myself, I know I wouldn't bother with the hassle of pirating if there were a better alternative, like I stopped pirating games and just buy them on Steam now.

Gabe Newell himself said "piracy is a service problem," and it really shows because buying on Steam is 10x more convenient as a Linux user than pirating the game. Especially with Linux gaming, I think Valve has made it more convenient to just buy games.

Steam is a godsend for Linux. I no longer have to even check where a game plays, I know that a Steam game will play on Linux. Nowadays I buy games mostly as thanks to Valve's Linux efforts, as I don't really tend to game much.
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