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Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by ck425 »

skilled wrote: post #4

Pretty wild. I have fairly strong opinions on this subject. Neither of the parties (the girl selling and the guy buying) could ever justify it for me. I don’t think it’s possible to go anywhere lower than this, both mentally and spiritually. You have one party sacrificing their morals while the other sacrifices their dignity. And there is no in between. Wow. I feel like this should be a far more talked about issue th…

You're overlooking the long history of sex work in most human civilizations. Fair enough if you morally disagree with it and wish it didn't exist but it's existent and the existence of people who provide and consume it is about as normal as it gets.

If you accept that sex work will always exist in some capacity then there are reasonable arguments that the existence of OnlyFans is a good thing, as the OnlyFans model of sex work is in many ways much better than traditional models for both the sex workers and the consumers. There are of course arguments against that too, but saying sex work is fundamentally immoral and thus OnlyFans should be stopped is naive and more importantly unhelpful when it comes to reducing the potential harm sex work can cause.

Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by Retric »

tmpz22 wrote: post #45
Retric wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is seriously tame and hardly an affront to anyone’s dignity. (Edit: For clarity these people are typing in a chat app pretending to be someone else not sharing pictures of themselves online.) I really don’t see the difference between this and being an Actor, social media intern, character at Disneyland, Mall Santa etc. An actual 3 year old may be fooled, but sometimes adults want to play pretend as well. You don…

> I really don’t see the difference between this and being an Actor, character at Disneyland, Mall Santa etc. Would you support your 18 year old child doing onlyfans like you might them working at Disneyland? Im not personally against Onlyfans but I won't pretend like I wouldn't have serious concerns with a loved one doing this. If for no other reason then the content being scrapped and published for future coworkers…

To be clear, this isn’t someone showing nude pictures on only fans. This is a guy or girl typing in a chat pretending to be a female model.

If my 18 kid was pulling in 120k working 6 hours a day like this, I would personally respect the hustle. If nothing else it’s a solid foundation to get a job pretending to be a politician/CEO/actor on social media etc. So there’s both better pay and more upwards mobility than most jobs available at 18.

Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by sidlls »

foobarian wrote: post #23
skilled wrote: post #4

Pretty wild. I have fairly strong opinions on this subject. Neither of the parties (the girl selling and the guy buying) could ever justify it for me. I don’t think it’s possible to go anywhere lower than this, both mentally and spiritually. You have one party sacrificing their morals while the other sacrifices their dignity. And there is no in between. Wow. I feel like this should be a far more talked about issue th…

> because this is not normal. Have you thought that this actually could be normal, and that we the "wholesome" people are the outlier? That's what worries me :-)

It's predatory, really. The people paying for this are desperate for a relationship of some sort. The people selling are basically taking advantage of someone by what amounts to fraud.

Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by timthelion »

tmpz22 wrote: post #59
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would you support your 18 year old child doing onlyfans like you might them working at Disneyland? What reason would I have to be less supportive?

The serious potential for emotional and reputational harm resulting from having publicly searchable nude images of them on the internet (assuming they're doing OnlyFans content, not roleplaying someone elses content).

Is the reputational harm any greater than the reputational harm in being openly gay? The 'reputational harm' is that bigots will judge you.

Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by Retric »

skilled wrote: post #42
Retric wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is seriously tame and hardly an affront to anyone’s dignity. (Edit: For clarity these people are typing in a chat app pretending to be someone else not sharing pictures of themselves online.) I really don’t see the difference between this and being an Actor, social media intern, character at Disneyland, Mall Santa etc. An actual 3 year old may be fooled, but sometimes adults want to play pretend as well. You don…

I mean maybe you should experience firsthand what it would be like if someone in your family was involved in this? I do think that if you can’t think at least a few steps ahead of my point of view maybe you shouldn’t try and justify it on their behalf? I am not being hostile by the way, just saying it how it is. This is not some “I accidentally scraped your car” issue. Real people are making extremely unhealthy choic…

Uhh, this is a guy or girl pretending to be a hot girl online. That’s some on thing millions of people do everyday for the lulz without being paid for it.

I really don’t see why there would be any mental health issues involved?

Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by grpt »

Onlyfansss wrote: post #57
grpt wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

very odd comment, and from a brand new account. Makes me wonder what your motivations are. You didn't address anything in the parent comment. You seem to be responding to onlyfans in general, not the fraudulent usage of the chat feature the parent comment is addressing.

Whats odd about it? Do you think its normal in our society to state publicly that you think onlyfans is okay/good? Of course not. We are not a open society. And he clearly doesn't reference the article with the hook 'problem', he keeps it generic: "(the girl selling and the guy buying)" Onlyfans is obvously satisfying a fantasy. This has very little to do with real life. And when you actually buy a private video, its…

> And he clearly doesn't reference the article with the hook 'problem', he keeps it generic: "(the girl selling and the guy buying)"

They are clearly responding to the article, which is about fraudulent use of the chat feature to extract money from men. It's not about selling pictures or videos.

You seem to be taking all of this as a personal attack on your choice of entertainment, or to create division in the thread.

Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by meheleventyone »

fxtentacle wrote: post #35

I wonder if society should step in to prevent those men from getting hooked. We already step in to prevent people getting hooked on physical drugs because the negative externalities are too bad to accept. But this sounds like people getting hooked mentally will also have pretty bad side-effects for society as a whole. I mean imagine some guy "falling in love" with a model this way. And then after a year and $10k in "…

If we want to tackle societal harms then perhaps gambling is a better starting point?

I also think the idea that society steps in to prevent people getting hooked on drugs is hilariously naive.

Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

Retric wrote: post #65
skilled wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean maybe you should experience firsthand what it would be like if someone in your family was involved in this? I do think that if you can’t think at least a few steps ahead of my point of view maybe you shouldn’t try and justify it on their behalf? I am not being hostile by the way, just saying it how it is. This is not some “I accidentally scraped your car” issue. Real people are making extremely unhealthy choic…

Uhh, this is a guy or girl pretending to be a hot girl online. That’s some on thing millions of people do everyday for the lulz without being paid for it. I really don’t see why there would be any mental health issues involved?

I believe they're making an allusion to the commonality of loneliness among many of today's young men. Such loneliness is likely only to be exacerbated by habits that are enabled by this work.

Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by tzs »

Retric wrote: post #32
skilled wrote: post #4

Pretty wild. I have fairly strong opinions on this subject. Neither of the parties (the girl selling and the guy buying) could ever justify it for me. I don’t think it’s possible to go anywhere lower than this, both mentally and spiritually. You have one party sacrificing their morals while the other sacrifices their dignity. And there is no in between. Wow. I feel like this should be a far more talked about issue th…

This is seriously tame and hardly an affront to anyone’s dignity. (Edit: For clarity these people are typing in a chat app pretending to be someone else not sharing pictures of themselves online.) I really don’t see the difference between this and being an Actor, social media intern, character at Disneyland, Mall Santa etc. An actual 3 year old may be fooled, but sometimes adults want to play pretend as well. You don…

Actors generally don't claim that they are actually the person they are portraying.

Unless I misunderstood the article, models with OnlyFans account often offer the service of personally chatting with their paying fans, and then essentially hire improv actors to do the actual chatting.

That sounds fraudulent to me.

Re: $500 a day to pretend to be a model: The big business behind OnlyFans 'chatters'

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Post by oldpersonintx »

Retric wrote: post #62
tmpz22 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really don’t see the difference between this and being an Actor, character at Disneyland, Mall Santa etc. Would you support your 18 year old child doing onlyfans like you might them working at Disneyland? Im not personally against Onlyfans but I won't pretend like I wouldn't have serious concerns with a loved one doing this. If for no other reason then the content being scrapped and published for future coworkers…

To be clear, this isn’t someone showing nude pictures on only fans. This is a guy or girl typing in a chat pretending to be a female model. If my 18 kid was pulling in 120k working 6 hours a day like this, I would personally respect the hustle. If nothing else it’s a solid foundation to get a job pretending to be a politician/CEO/actor on social media etc. So there’s both better pay and more upwards mobility than mos…

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