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Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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Re: Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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All I want is a car that looks aesthetically like a 2dr Wrangler but fully electric. Is that so much to ask for? In other words: sporty looking, slightly rugged, no frills.

We will see how much Jeep fancies up the electric Wrangler they allegedly have in the pipe:

https://electrek.co/2023/05/12/the-all-electric-jeep-wrangle...

Re: Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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I was very close to buying an EV this summer but ended up not getting it. It felt like I could get an equivalent ICE car for about $20K cheaper. I did a lot of research about EV charging and the more I read the more I felt I didn't understand how it would practically work. I make a long trip every month or so and it sounds like the EV charging network isn't quite to where the point where it's as easy, quick, and cost…

If you get a Tesla it is solved now. The charging is seamless and reliable pretty much everywhere except the very most out of the way places. All the rest though that can't yet use Tesla's charging network I would agree total trash if you want to do a long trip and need charging. This should change in ~2 years when manufactures start making more EVs that are compatible with NACS (aka Tesla's super charger network)

Also, a number of domestic mfrs are switching over the the Tesla charging plug, some as soon as the '24 year models. Don't know what the arrangements for using the network will look like though.

Re: Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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This is interesting because it shows some complexity inherent to a government supporting a domestic industry. Naively it seems like the government would block imports of the small Chinese EVs so that domestic industry could compete BUT domestic automakers do not want the segment of a $5k tiny vehicle to exist at all, and will not 'compete' for that market! The margins and sales on such a thing would hurt the us auto…

You can solve the problem "easily" if there's political will for it. You allow "golf cart" manufacturers to sell "golf carts" that are fully enclosed and meet some lower safety level because they're "limited" to 35 miles an hour, or classified as motorcycles, or whatever. Then you "officially" prohibit them from freeways, but turn a blind eye to it, until it's so common, that you can relax the laws associated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_Electric_Vehicle

Re: Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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Isn't the upsizing of vehicles because of consumer demand, though? They can sell crossovers and trucks into the consumer base at such volume and margin that it is worthwhile to simply stop making sedans. There are people like me who just want an electric honda fit but it seems like there aren't enough of us to be worth the effort.

> electric Honda fit Are you looking for one specifically made by Honda? Or what is missing from the small electric hatchbacks like the Chevy Bolt or Nissan Leaf?

They are both being phased out/discontinued is one good reason

https://www.gearpatrol.com/cars/a43720198/chevy-bolt-discont... https://electrek.co/2023/05/19/what-we-know-nissan-leaf-ev-r...

Re: Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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That makes no financial sense. I bought a car because rentals over time exceeded the ownership of owning. Since many trips are outside the EV range.

Not sure. In the comment I replied to, they mentioned that EV is good 95% of the time. In that case, renting a car, like once a month, for a long range tip would make sense imo. Better yet, public transport, then rent an EV there.

Or just get a PHEV. And then you only need 1/3 of the batteries in your car, and you don't have to deal with rentals. Does it really make sense to have 300 miles worth of batteries that you haul around in your car when 90% of your trips are less than 100 miles?

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> an electric honda fit IoniQ 5 comes close. It's the first EV that made me go "omg I want that!". One of these days I'll take one for a test drive. Looks so cool, isn't super huge even though it's still big, and doesn't even try to look like a SUV. Although maybe I've been in USA too long and my perception is skewed because Wikipedia calls it a "compact crossover suv". Maybe battery size is a limiting factor here? T…

SUV is also an over-abused term because it used to only refer to giant vehicles, but now all the various compacts and crossovers are just cars that ride a bit higher. And all things considered, a car with a trunk will almost always lose to the same vehicle with a more SUV-like end, because it can hold more.

> a car with a trunk will almost always lose to the same vehicle with a more SUV-like end, because it can hold more.

Modern SUV-like vehicles often have such raked back-ends that they barely hold more than the equivalent sedan. The opening and ease of loading is much better, however.

Something like a 3/4 size Subaru Outback would be a really killer EV

Re: Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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Isn't the upsizing of vehicles because of consumer demand, though? They can sell crossovers and trucks into the consumer base at such volume and margin that it is worthwhile to simply stop making sedans. There are people like me who just want an electric honda fit but it seems like there aren't enough of us to be worth the effort.

> electric Honda fit Are you looking for one specifically made by Honda? Or what is missing from the small electric hatchbacks like the Chevy Bolt or Nissan Leaf?

The Leaf is in a weird position, since Nissan keeps betting (incorrectly) on CHAdeMO even on the latest model Leaf

Re: Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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> electric Honda fit Are you looking for one specifically made by Honda? Or what is missing from the small electric hatchbacks like the Chevy Bolt or Nissan Leaf?

They are both being phased out/discontinued is one good reason https://www.gearpatrol.com/cars/a43720198/chevy-bolt-discont... https://electrek.co/2023/05/19/what-we-know-nissan-leaf-ev-r...

"Chevrolet Bolt EV Isn't Dead: It Will Return with GM's Ultium Batteries"

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44639082/chevrolet-bolt-e...

Re: Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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Isn't the upsizing of vehicles because of consumer demand, though? They can sell crossovers and trucks into the consumer base at such volume and margin that it is worthwhile to simply stop making sedans. There are people like me who just want an electric honda fit but it seems like there aren't enough of us to be worth the effort.

> an electric honda fit IoniQ 5 comes close. It's the first EV that made me go "omg I want that!". One of these days I'll take one for a test drive. Looks so cool, isn't super huge even though it's still big, and doesn't even try to look like a SUV. Although maybe I've been in USA too long and my perception is skewed because Wikipedia calls it a "compact crossover suv". Maybe battery size is a limiting factor here? T…

Buy an electric car from a company that didn't bother to put immobilizers on their cars for 10 years? I wouldn't be able to get past "What did they skimp on this time?"

https://www.engadget.com/hyundai-will-pay-200-million-after-...

Re: Automakers must build cheaper, smaller EVs to spur adoption, report says

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Who's buying those F-150s and how amenable are they to EVs? It's not enough to just look at what's most popular if the underlying demographics are more resistant to EVs on an ideological basis.

I wasn't in the market for an F-150, but a minivan, and the EV minivan doesn't exist, the PHEV minivan is way higher priced than the regular one, and the hybrid minivan is nearly impossible to find. So I have a boring standard one now.

VW is apparently coming out with one next year...

https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/id-buzz-microbus

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