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Unless the employee sues you, which is discouraged by practices like these.
Sue for what?
"I was terminated because I'm "
I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans
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Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans
#582Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans
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It's surprising companies don't seem interested in understanding their employees well enough to know that the cost of re-hiring and re-training vs trying to find a better fit in the org is not a good idea. Some industries coach the employee into a different role, or help them exit more openly.
I've even seen articles about how Amazon chews through so many people that they're having trouble finding "virgin" hires. Everyone in their pool is already fed up with them or were PIP'd.
IIRC isnt this about warehouse workers?
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You come out of it with Amazon on your resume which makes it super easy to get jobs.
Not really, at least not right now. I know my workplace and a few others are weary of ex-Amazon employees. Usually get picked for interview if there's no one else and gets an extra behavioral round. For management positions, it better be a internal referral who is willing to vouch for you very highly.
There is an ocean of difference between a workplace located on the West Coast where you have your pick of the litter enough that you can filter out ex-Amazonians, and where I currently am, working as a tech lead on railway software in some city in Finland.
Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans
#585People are not PIPS.
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> capital doesn't have as much power in the new info-WFH-open source economy Seriously? 30% of the population believes whateber chatgt-bot tells them is true on twitter > Stop waiting on government regulators for action I think the key is that there is likely to be violence. Look at how clinate protesters are treated.
> Look at how clinate protesters are treated. How does that relate to capital and jobs? Unlike physical mining and physical manufacturing, capital is not a gating feature of bits and bytes tech startups. We saw violent destruction during covid lockdowns by BLM. What did that accomplish?
> gating feature of bits and bytes tech startups.
Does 'tech' just mean software to you? like what about 95% of the economy, you need capital even for ebikes
> We saw violent destruction during covid lockdowns by BLM. What did that accomplish?
I am not spokesperson for BLM, and not from US.
But UK had similar riots when the Government made a pledge not to raise univeristy fees, and in the first 3 months they raised them, and then killed a student at a protest. So protests turned into riots.
Iam not sure whats new here, we knew for thousands of years - You fuck around and piss off like a million people, eventually you are gonna find out.
Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans
#587One underlying problem with these PIP type programs at FAANG seems to be that they have very high barriers to entry in the interview process, and then act like 30% of the company is underperforming and subject to an annual 6% cull. There are industries & companies that have grown fat & lazy and could use a few annual 6% culls, but you eventually run out of fat. If you have a very competitive interview process and hig…
Devil's advocate: no matter how "high barrier" your interview process is, you are 100% going to hire duds, and that's only going to be apparent after a couple months at least. "Ideally", the interview process would be those first couple months, but that is illegal and/or not socially accepted.
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#588Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've even seen articles about how Amazon chews through so many people that they're having trouble finding "virgin" hires. Everyone in their pool is already fed up with them or were PIP'd.
IIRC isnt this about warehouse workers?
Those were some of the roles, but they were having roubles with others too.
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#589Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans
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I have responsibilities and problems at home that greatly limit my non-work hour freedom. My disability is not a physical one, but a neurodivergent one, so remote would only hurt me more. I would look for another job if I lost this one, but it would probably pay less - again, no real time to upskill. Sure, I've gotten new certs and other BS over the years and started working with new tech. That hasn't been helpful. I…
Again if you lost your job you would do what it took to get another one wouldn’t you? So what’s the difference between changing jobs when you do have a choice and waiting until you don’t have a choice? If you don’t make time now to upskill, what do you think is going to happen if/when you don’t have a choice but to look for a job and be stuck with in your words “dead tech”.
"So what’s the difference between changing jobs when you do have a choice and waiting until you don’t have a choice?"
The difference is that if I lost this job I would then have time during the day to look for jobs or study when I would have been working.
I don't really care what will happen. My area is shitty for tech work, my wife won't move, and I'm ill suited to remote work. I'm just coasting now. There's no point in upskilling until I would know what skills the other company would want because there are so many different things they could wanting the tech changes so fast.