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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by FireBeyond »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #623
FireBeyond wrote: post #581

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> We've assumed a fuel economy of 20.0 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered truck. This is absolutely misleading. F-150, Tundra, RAM 1500, Sierra, every single one of these pickups has a better fuel economy than this. It's not really a comparable economy if you pick "a number worse than every alternative" as your baseline.

Are you sure? 20 seems pretty fair. * https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2023_Ford_F150.shtml * https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2023_Toyota_Tundra.s... * https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2023_Ram_1500.shtml * https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2023_GMC_Sierra.shtm...

Yes: https://www.motortrend.com/features/most-fuel-efficient-pick...

Starts with Ridgeline and Tacoma at 21mpg, Tundra at 22, Ranger at 23, Gladiator at 24, RAM 1500 and F-150 at 25, Silverado and Sierra at 26.

> 20 seems pretty fair.

How do you get "chooses a number that is 5% less than the worst, and 25% less at best" as a "fair" comparison point?

The average of those vehicles is actually 23.8mpg. To me a comparison should be "somewhere in the middle of the table", not "coming last".

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by jachee »

starcraft2wol wrote: post #659
chung8123 wrote: post #482

It is extremely misleading to include gas savings as a reduction in purchase price. If anything that should be used as a comparison of overall operating costs and cost more than the purchase price but not as much more as the gas competitor.

There are two price tabs, toggle it to the left.

That should be the only tab. The other is 100.0% misleading.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by kalleboo »

jaggederest wrote: post #618
boznz wrote: post #594

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Correct neither CAN or Ethernet say anything about IP ratings, but I guess having an ethernet switch as a distribution rather than everything on a chain restricts the failure to one device.

This is the same kind of failure you used to see in 10base5 and 10base2 networks, where one computer having a loose terminator could cause the entire LAN to be offline. With 10baseT (and I assume automotive ethernet) the bus is contained in the hub/switch/router instead of needing to be terminated (as in CAN bus, from my brief research anyway)

Although if you wanted to, I don't see why you couldn't build a CAN switch?

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by starcraft2wol »

rainsford wrote: post #372
rgmerk wrote: post #167

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There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks. That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kid…

Also a 911 looks like a cool sports car, while the cybertruck looks like it's being rendered by a Super Nintendo. A lot of the attraction of sports cars is the cool aesthetic, which your average family SUV or pickup truck really doesn't have, and the cybertruck has a negative amount of.

I don't think this comment will age well.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by grogenaut »

palemoonale wrote: post #634
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #545

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> Drive by wire kind of scares me Physical linkages break too.

Has this ever happened to you? Good god, i want less SW in a car, not more. W/o power steering i can at least control a vehicle, only the brake pressure lost is a serious problem. Same with keyless starters, i remember this story about some French car experiencing a kind of highway run-off that couldn't be stopped due to this BS solution to a non-existing problem. "But hey, that's not innovative enough"

Yes, I've had: - cruise get stuck on, car didn't have disable cruise on breaks - gas pedal stuck under seat mat - gas pedal siezed on due to cable issue - brake pedal failure to master cylinder - steering wheel slipping during turns - shift lever disconnect - breaks failed due to cracked rotor - breaks failed due to leaking master cylinder

shit breaks a lot when you'e been driving for 35+ years

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Post by pandaman »

giobox wrote: post #660
pandaman wrote: post #649

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BMW had this on mechanically linked system for 20 years. It's called "Active Steering" in their marketing speak.

It's not really the same at all in practice though. With steer by wire you can get the lock to lock literally as little as you like - 150 degrees at low speed lock to lock in the Lexus system for example. In theory it could go from one extreme to the other in a single degree, its just software, although obviously no one sane would implement this. Active Steering on BMWs doesn't get remotely close to 150 degree low sp…

It's a system that changes the ratio of the steering wheel rotation to the wheel angle dynamically while still mechanically linking the wheels to the steering wheel. It does not have the same parameters as Lexus system but many other things differ between BMWs and Lexuses too.

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Post by oooyay »

chrisco255 wrote: post #534
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #510

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My friend who’s in landscaping drives a basic F150 with an 8-ft bed. The payload capacity on his truck is less than the base Lightning. Usually he’s bringing a bunch of tools back there, and depending on the job might be carrying plants, mulch etc. In cases where he has to haul more (eg. clearing out a huge amount of overgrown plants) he might rent a utility trailer to tow. Which the Lightning is also perfectly capab…

It's actually quite hard to exceed the payload capacity of an F150 unless you're hauling bricks, and even then you could probably mostly fill it up. How easy is it to supercharge a F150 electric while towing a 20 foot trailer? The way I see most Tesla superchargers oriented, it seems like it would be a pain in the ass. But also, depending on where landscaping jobs take you, you might be well out of range of a superch…

Price is also a disqualifier, imo. A battery replacement on a Lightning is $30k and the battery is warrantied for 8 years or 100K miles. How long the batteries last after the warranty expires I think will have a big impact on an already more expensive truck.

The reason I bought a Tacoma was because I have six feet of bed area, ~7k lbs towing, and 4x4. The general utility of the truck meant it could tackle most things I needed to do.

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Post by xbmcuser »

rgmerk wrote: post #167
everfrustrated wrote: post #72

Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks. That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kid…

There is a reason all supercar makers came out with electric supercars as when it comes to acceleration you can't beat it. And as more cars are build from the ground up to run electric I think electric would be a better drive.

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Post by Imnimo »

chung8123 wrote: post #482

It is extremely misleading to include gas savings as a reduction in purchase price. If anything that should be used as a comparison of overall operating costs and cost more than the purchase price but not as much more as the gas competitor.

I'm surprised it doesn't take into account how much money Elon thinks you'll be able to make renting it out as a robotaxi.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by kbob »

giobox wrote: post #555
whelp_24 wrote: post #153

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why do steer by wire at all? Is it cheaper somehow?

Allows you to vary the steering ratio dynamically (how many "turns" lock to lock). Means a lot less arm twiddling during lower speed maneuvers, and can gradually increase the ratio as speed increases. Traditional mechanically linked steering racks (electric or hydraulic) don't do this and are the same number of turns lock to lock regardless of speed - they can only dynamically vary the amount of power assist, not the…

You also don't need a collapsible steering column, as there is no steering column.
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