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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #469
wepple wrote: post #274

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Price after rebate seems reasonable: you pay money, get the item, a rebate gives you money back on your purchase. Savings over time is a whole other dimension, you have to wait for it. And it makes huge assumptions about usage and input (gas) prices. It also assumes you’re not already driving an EV so your current gas cost is $0. That seems near illegal.

> That seems near illegal. Oh, come on. Tesla is not hiding this. It's the first thing you see in the pricing section, and it's the last thing you see at the bottom. Maybe it's illegal somehow, but this is certainly not immoral. Tesla is making the case for the efficiency gains of their vehicle based on what most people drive today. This is certainly becoming less relevant/useful as electric/hybrid vehicles become mo…

> Maybe it's illegal somehow, but this is certainly not immoral.

It is absolutely immoral, and I have no idea how you can say otherwise with a straight face. Tesla is deliberately listing the price as lower than it actually is, in order to try to psychologically trick people into buying their vehicles. It's (probably) legal because they state in smaller print what the actual price is, but it's hella fucking immoral.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by acdha »

verdverm wrote: post #441
PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #424

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Most Pickup Truck Owners Don’t Actually Do Any Truck Stuff. > Only 7.0% of truck buyers frequently use their trucks to tow. About 2% of people use their trucks to tow occasionally, while 63% of owners rarely or never tow. > But at least 28% of owners frequently use their trucks for personal hauling, while 47% of owners occasionally haul. Nearly 32% of owners rarely or never haul personal items. https://www.motorbiscu…

One thing that happens when you own a truck, you get called on to help friends and family move, or pick up an oversized item. I do this a few times a year. Multiple people benefit from my truck ownership.

Oh, sure, but that’s a hefty premium to pay if you don’t need it frequently - the $20+k extra people pay for commuter trucks would pay for thousands of truck rental hours, and that’s before you factor in the higher operating costs and insurance.

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

verdverm wrote: post #441
PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #424

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Most Pickup Truck Owners Don’t Actually Do Any Truck Stuff. > Only 7.0% of truck buyers frequently use their trucks to tow. About 2% of people use their trucks to tow occasionally, while 63% of owners rarely or never tow. > But at least 28% of owners frequently use their trucks for personal hauling, while 47% of owners occasionally haul. Nearly 32% of owners rarely or never haul personal items. https://www.motorbiscu…

One thing that happens when you own a truck, you get called on to help friends and family move, or pick up an oversized item. I do this a few times a year. Multiple people benefit from my truck ownership.

For sure. Just having one when you own a home is very handy. Being able to just toss long boards or pipes or large pieces of furniture in the back is great. I really only use my truck for truck related stuff (things I wouldn’t otherwise be able to use a sedan or suv for) perhaps 2-3x a month. But that’s enough to justify owning one. I think even if it was only once every 3 months it would still be justified, since it doesn’t get radically worse mileage than a sedan and I don’t otherwise drive much.

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Post by jacquesm »

dsr_ wrote: post #270
kubectl_h wrote: post #197

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Yeah what a weird comment from GP. The refrain that no one needs a full-size truck, that they're mall crawlers or compensation for undersized you-know-what is common on this site but I've never seen it taken to the level that "trades workers largely don't drive full sized trucks, actually".

Oh. Actually, let me tell you: Most trades workers don't need full-sized pickup trucks. They do need an 8 foot bed. An amazing number of full-sized pickups come with 6.5 foot beds by default, and cost extra for the 8 foot. They won't put 2 tons of gravel in there; they will put plywood sheets and lumber and power tools; boxes of nails and air compressors; the toolbox that they always want, the toolbox for this job, a…

I've lived up North in Canada and very much liked the F150, even if it was not exactly quality material it did the job and never got stuck no matter how bad the weather got. We built a house with it and it did double duty as farm truck. I don't think there was another vehicle even close in price to that one that would have done the same job. I'd have been just as happy with a smaller engine though, a V6 would have been plenty. Except that one time when I pulled a full size semi out of ditch (that did require some extra weight in the bed). They are pretty versatile workhorses and for that area they're a good match. The only people that should drive them around cities are contractors and landscapers, guys in suits driving big pickups have other issues.

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Post by GloriousKoji »

supportengineer wrote: post #262
jasongill wrote: post #201

Funny that the cheaper model's 0-60 time is listed as "4.1 SEC. 0-60 MPH", but the more expensive model is listed as "2.6 SEC. 0-60 MPH With rollout subtracted." The whole rollout for 0-60 thing is a big fuss in the car magazine subculture - instead of counting zero to 60 from a standstill, they now count zero to 60 in a drag race style, where you have to trip the starting light by going forward a foot or two. What t…

Zero means zero. Who decided they could change the definition of zero?

Probably the same ones who came up with the idea of "Partial zero" (emissions).

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Post by solardev »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #490
shampine wrote: post #369

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Probably referring to a section 179 deduction which gives you a $25k deduction on your taxable income for vehicles that weigh more than 6000lbs.

https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives > Qualifying businesses can claim a deduction of up to $28,900 when purchasing a new Tesla vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of at least 6,000 pounds. To qualify for the tax deduction, vehicles must be operated for legitimate business use >50% the time.

Why are we incentivizing huge vehicles, sigh =/

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Post by danparsonson »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #477
jameshart wrote: post #465

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You can't just combine capex with notional opex savings and then post that as if that's the effective price. If I'm trying to sell you a $6,000 server, I can't take a notional AWS bill of $2,000 a year and say 'since this server will save you $2,000 in cloud costs over three years, it's basically free'

Why not?

Because it's not free, it's $6000. It's fine to mention the two things together but rolling them into one figure is nonsense - expected operational savings don't have any impact on purchase price. In the context of the Tesla, the 'gas savings' are 1) an estimate based on a specific scenario and therefore not guaranteed, and 2) not materialised at the point of purchase; this is the difference between 'price' and 'cost'.

Try walking into a Tesla dealership, telling them you expect the car to save you $10,000 over its lifetime, and that you should therefore pay $10,000 less than the ticket price, and see what they say.

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Post by SrslyJosh »

verdverm wrote: post #441
PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Pickup Truck Owners Don’t Actually Do Any Truck Stuff. > Only 7.0% of truck buyers frequently use their trucks to tow. About 2% of people use their trucks to tow occasionally, while 63% of owners rarely or never tow. > But at least 28% of owners frequently use their trucks for personal hauling, while 47% of owners occasionally haul. Nearly 32% of owners rarely or never haul personal items. https://www.motorbiscu…

One thing that happens when you own a truck, you get called on to help friends and family move, or pick up an oversized item. I do this a few times a year. Multiple people benefit from my truck ownership.

U-haul rents pickup trucks for $20 a day plus mileage, and if you want something bigger, they've got it. Your friends and family would get along just fine without your truck ownership.

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Post by wannacboatmovie »

jacquesm wrote: post #484
oooyay wrote: post #438

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> The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard, and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. I'd like to nitpick "doing actual pickup truck work". The Lightning gets terrible mileage, to the tune of roughly 100 miles on a charge, while hauling which ICE trucks do not…

You can't compare an EV pick up and an ICE truck like that, unless you specify what you call 'doing actual pickup truck work'. Plenty of companies don't put more than 100 miles on a truck every day and that means that their workload is a good match for an F150 Lightning even if it is hauling. Landscapers, city fleets and so on tend to move to a spot, stay there all day and then drive back and it's probably possible t…

Nerds need to stop assuming what's best for tradespeople and offering unsolicited advice.

Ultimately the market will decide.

This usually comes up in the context of telling landscapers they should give up their gasoline powered tools and switch to battery; or, my personal favorite, "use rakes".

The tradesmen will decide what is best for themselves, given the proper incentives, and we will adapt.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

oooyay wrote: post #438
danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard, and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. I'd like to nitpick "doing actual pickup truck work". The Lightning gets terrible mileage, to the tune of roughly 100 miles on a charge, while hauling which ICE trucks do not…

My friend who’s in landscaping drives a basic F150 with an 8-ft bed. The payload capacity on his truck is less than the base Lightning. Usually he’s bringing a bunch of tools back there, and depending on the job might be carrying plants, mulch etc.

In cases where he has to haul more (eg. clearing out a huge amount of overgrown plants) he might rent a utility trailer to tow. Which the Lightning is also perfectly capable of handling.

For the truly heavy-duty job requiring several yards of rock, he’s going to pay someone with a dump truck to deliver it.

Since all of his clients, suppliers, and the dump are local, he’ll never need to tow anything 100 miles. This is the only edge case where he’d need to wait around at a charger during a job.

If there are used Lightnings for sale at a competitive price when we needs to replace his truck, he might buy one.

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