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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by giantrobot »

wepple wrote: post #274
shepherdjerred wrote: post #172

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This doesn't seem very different than advertising a price after a rebate. Saving $1,200 a year on gas seems reasonable if you pay $4/gal and fill up a 14gal tank twice a month. I'm not sure about the tax credit -- I assume those are guaranteed to whoever purchases the vehicle, but maybe that's not the case.

Price after rebate seems reasonable: you pay money, get the item, a rebate gives you money back on your purchase. Savings over time is a whole other dimension, you have to wait for it. And it makes huge assumptions about usage and input (gas) prices. It also assumes you’re not already driving an EV so your current gas cost is $0. That seems near illegal.

I've got a siphon hose, my gas costs are $0 too! /s

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by herewego »

nomel wrote: post #389
threeseed wrote: post #303

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You are free to do whatever you like. And others are free to do what they like. Which for most people includes making judgements about who you are based on the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc. And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour.

> Which for most people includes making judgements about who you are based on the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc. But, it's important to understand that the people with some hairstyle aren't the assholes. That would be entirely on the people saying they're assholes for their choice of hair shaft placement. > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are am…

> I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition.

We are quite aware and there is plenty of competition now. A lot of us are canceling orders after being burned by Tesla policies, poor customer service, poor vehicle quality, unmet commitments, fantasy autopilot capabilities, etc.

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Post by bonestamp2 »

microtherion wrote: post #230
modeless wrote: post #189

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The tax credit is guaranteed as long as you made less than 300k this year or last year (150k if not married), and it is now given directly at time of purchase instead of later when you file. Seems OK to include. The gas savings is much more speculative.

Do people making less than 150k buy 100k cars? I don't have a good sense for how Americans budget their vehicle purchases.

Should they? Probably not in most cases. Do they? Absolutely.

The real killer here though is the limit. If you're making $160k, that $7000 is still a real incentive. Can you afford it without, sure, but if we're trying to incentivize EVs then everyone should get the incentive... sometimes wealthy people are wealthy because they save money whenever possible, so the incentive will still move the needle on EV adoption.

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Post by mint2 »

rgmerk wrote: post #167
everfrustrated wrote: post #72

Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks. That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kid…

Insurance executives are also shocked and worried. But it’s really just an extension of what’s been happening with massive pickup trucks given ridiculous Hp.

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Post by mauvehaus »

wepple wrote: post #251
js2 wrote: post #222

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I'd take that bet. The Ranger isn't manufactured anymore (edit: yes it is; can't recall having seen one though) and I've never seen a Maverick used commercially. I don't think I've even seen one that didn't look freshly washed. I mean, this isn't even hard to figure out: the F-150 is the best selling vehicle (not truck, but vehicle) in the U.S. for what, a decade or more?

+1 who in their right mind would use a maverick for actual work? Ford don’t even pretend to market to those folks. https://www.ford.com/trucks/maverick/ It’s a Subaru with a truck bed

Not if it doesn't have BRAT seats, it isn't!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_BRAT

Owned an '86. It was a riot.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by shepherdjerred »

jameshart wrote: post #465
shepherdjerred wrote: post #172

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This doesn't seem very different than advertising a price after a rebate. Saving $1,200 a year on gas seems reasonable if you pay $4/gal and fill up a 14gal tank twice a month. I'm not sure about the tax credit -- I assume those are guaranteed to whoever purchases the vehicle, but maybe that's not the case.

You can't just combine capex with notional opex savings and then post that as if that's the effective price. If I'm trying to sell you a $6,000 server, I can't take a notional AWS bill of $2,000 a year and say 'since this server will save you $2,000 in cloud costs over three years, it's basically free'

Why not?

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

O5vYtytb wrote: post #456
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #249

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What is their utility? They launched more mass to space than everyone else in the world combined (states and private). Did you mean to question the utility of starlink? Because the utility of the company on the whole is quite obviously apparent.

Satellites are for comms and military.

Consumers don't ever benefit from militaries so the only other option to extract quality of life from space is comms.

But given that 90% of the population lives in urban areas comms are much more efficiently done using 5g cell towers and the good old cable fiber.

The way I see it, SpaceX is like the SR71 or the Saturn Rocket, monodimensional individuals will always fall in love with such toys and will try to reason their way backwards starting from their love for the toys to find and convince enough fools to finance them playing with such toys and not only that also singing their praise, it seems like it's exactly what is happening.

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Post by gpm »

giantrobot wrote: post #436
juli1pb wrote: post #430

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Do you mean something like Aptera? https://aptera.us/ This really excites me. I had 2 Cybertruck reservations, I cancelled them and ordered an Aptera. I think this is what we really need: smaller car with efficiency in mind.

Those things are the Duke Nukem Forever of electric cars. I remember them taking reservations back in the 00s. I love the idea but I have no idea how the company still exists as they haven't delivered anything in almost two decades.

Per wikipedia: Founded in 2006, returned deposits and then went out of business in 2011. Relaunched in 2019.
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