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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by cwkoss »

jasongill wrote: post #201

Funny that the cheaper model's 0-60 time is listed as "4.1 SEC. 0-60 MPH", but the more expensive model is listed as "2.6 SEC. 0-60 MPH With rollout subtracted." The whole rollout for 0-60 thing is a big fuss in the car magazine subculture - instead of counting zero to 60 from a standstill, they now count zero to 60 in a drag race style, where you have to trip the starting light by going forward a foot or two. What t…

Couldn't software gradually increase power to match the grip of the tires and prevent spinning? Or would that slow it down because a spinout 0-60 (not counting rollout) is faster that a "perfect throttle" 0-60?

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Post by dragontamer »

coin wrote: post #282
supportengineer wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero means zero. Who decided they could change the definition of zero?

Definitely misleading. It should be advertised as “1 to 60”.

Standard "rollout" test is 5-to-60.

This whole thing stinks of misleading and misdirection, once again. Don't take 5-to-60 times and mislead / misdirect people into thinking it was a 0-to-60 time.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by samsolomon »

grecy wrote: post #144
freediver wrote: post #122

Saw one on the street yesterday. It looked enormous and out of place.

It's smaller than a F-150, the best selling vehicle in the US

Perhaps a few inches shorter? It is almost identical to the F150 Supercrew.

Cybertruck: 223 x 95 x 70

F150 Supercrew: 231 x 96 x 77

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Post by DonHopkins »

coin wrote: post #282
supportengineer wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero means zero. Who decided they could change the definition of zero?

Definitely misleading. It should be advertised as “1 to 60”.

-60 to 60 would be more interesting to watch, and pleasingly symmetrical.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

DennisP wrote: post #278
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $7,500 at least is pretty legit You can't claim it if you make more than "$300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household" [1]. That describes a decent fraction of the Cybertruck's target market. [1] https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-c...

Yes but the new method transfers the tax credit to the dealer, who then gives you a discount off the purchase price. Seems possible that the purchaser income limit wouldn't apply when it's the dealer taking the credit. All the articles I've seen say we're still waiting for complete IRS guidance though.

> possible that the purchaser income limit wouldn't apply when it's the dealer taking the credit

The credit changes when you get the cash, not its eligibility [1]. If the dealer mistakenly gives you the credit, it will be added back--with interest and penalties--when you file. (The dealer reports it, so if someone forgets to include it in their filing it will accrue penalties and interest until the IRS gets around to collecting.)

[1] https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/credits-for-new-clean...

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Post by wharvle »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #312
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #273

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> Especially most trucks I'd argue not. Many trucks are driven by folks in the trades. If I were to guess, I'd put my money on SUVs having the largest fraction of users who rarely if ever push the vehicle to its limits. That or sports cars.

I looked it up and the top 3 most selling vehicles this year were big trucks. A total of 1.3 million trucks just from the top 3 vehicles this year. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars... I doubt all these new trucks are for trades people. Honestly most tradespeople I see drive older trucks because they are beating them up anyway. There's a LOT of people driving trucks who are not trades peopl…

I’ve noticed large regional differences in truck prevalence (vs. more jeeps and even more SUVs, it seemed to my eye, in the relatively-low-truck regions) so that may be account for difference in perception.

In my part of the Midwest, the vast majority of trucks aren’t seeing truck-like use more than a countable-on-fingers number of days per year. A relatively small proportion are owned by tradespeople, who are at least as likely to drive a van-body vehicle as a normal truck, from what I’ve seen. Most are owned as status symbols, in-group signaling consumption, and (no joke, many owners will tell you this) so they’re more likely to “win” in a crash and/or so they feel bigger on the road (again, not mean-spirited speculation, I’ve repeatedly heard that cited as a reason to favor trucks, from truck owners)

Some of these folks will say they really need them for that handful of times a year they tow or haul, but the price and gas consumption difference vs a sedan would likely cover years and years of delivery fees, paid towing, lake slip fees, et c, so that’s not really what’s getting them to sign on the dotted line for these things.

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Post by theluketaylor »

liminalsunset wrote: post #96

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

I am curious what cybertruck will charge like at existing superchargers that max out at 400V.

GM's clever solution is to present the battery pack as 2 400V packs. It does pose some very tricky pack balancing requirements though.

Other 800V cars charge quite poorly on 400V stations, usually with a hard cap at much lower than the potential max charge due to inverter limits.

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Post by whelp_24 »

XorNot wrote: post #265
whelp_24 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do steer by wire at all? Is it cheaper somehow?

It means where you put the steering wheel doesn't have to have a firewall penetration and mechanical linkage through to the engines. That's a lot of mechanical joints which need to be continuous, and need greasing, sealing and have limits on relative angles between them that you don't need - as well as they have to have enough strength to transmit the forces involved. By contrast, with steer-by-wire your system is es…

Big rigs used to not have power steering, i think with adrenaline you'll be able to steer. I do concede that the power steering fighting you would be bad

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Post by m463 »

WheatMillington wrote: post #320
m463 wrote: post #215

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I think there are lots of people that want an EV, but drive terrible roads.

Are roads in the US that bad that you can't drive a normal car on them?

Maybe not LA or NYC, but some parts of the country are not urban:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_in_the_United_Sta...

Folks there have country roads and long gravel or dirt driveways and ...

That said, yeah some people just buy 4wd to go skiing in tahoe without chains.

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Post by reducesuffering »

WheatMillington wrote: post #305
danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

$50k Cybertruck will never exist, any more than $30k Model 3 existed.

Musk promised $35k Model 3, which did in fact exist at first, for a couple months. It's now $39k.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/31/11335272/tesla-model-3-an...

https://www.tesla.com/blog/35000-tesla-model-3-available-now

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