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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by danans »

jdminhbg wrote: post #255
NewJazz wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Car dealers say they can’t sell EVs, tell Biden to slow their rollout https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38460281 I wonder if the price-gouge-EV-customers and complain-about-EV-subsidies groups overlap... Hmm.

I think probably it's a disjoint group, or at least a disjoint set of circumstances. What the dealers are complaining about are the rules phasing in about what % of your sales need to be EVs. There are some successes, like the F-150, but there are also a ton of terrible legacy manufacturer EVs that nobody wants to buy that are kinda just sitting around. If Ford and the other carmakers could make vehicles as popular a…

> If Ford and the other carmakers could make vehicles as popular as the F-150 in quantity, I don't think the dealers would care.

They can make smaller EVs that are more popular than the larger and more luxurious vehicles, but they can't sell them as profitably as the larger vehicles.

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Post by threeseed »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #256

I like how it looks and I find it weird people seem to believe that their opinion is absolute truth and that anybody who doesn't hate it is wrong. What I found the most surprising is that implies people don't actually believe cars on the road right now are ugly. Do people really look at SUVs and think "wow, is that thing pretty?"

So you think it's weird that other people believe that their opinions are right and everyone else is wrong.

Have you been on a desert island or something ?

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Post by frumper »

grpt wrote: post #295
frumper wrote: post #239

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> American's often don't budget. Just random drive-by comment hating a particular nationality...

I'm American. Most of my friends/family don't even pretend to budget. Looking at reports of the debt loads of Americans, it's pretty clear that we overspend. So if we do budget, we don't follow it.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by ajross »

danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k

FWIW, I just checked, and I can't find any Lightning base models for sale in my metro area. Are these actually available or is it just marketing? That kind of thing is routine in the auto industry, where dealers never seem to have the base model in stock ("But for just a little bit more, see what you get!").

Whether or not the weird-looking space truck succeeds or fails is yet to be seen, but I really don't think it will be on price. These numbers look very competitive to me. Tesla is slightly more expensive at the low end, but likely makes up for it with the supercharger network. Probably the make/break item is going to be the body styling, which we all suspected.

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Post by davidw »

dsr_ wrote: post #270
kubectl_h wrote: post #197

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Yeah what a weird comment from GP. The refrain that no one needs a full-size truck, that they're mall crawlers or compensation for undersized you-know-what is common on this site but I've never seen it taken to the level that "trades workers largely don't drive full sized trucks, actually".

Oh. Actually, let me tell you: Most trades workers don't need full-sized pickup trucks. They do need an 8 foot bed. An amazing number of full-sized pickups come with 6.5 foot beds by default, and cost extra for the 8 foot. They won't put 2 tons of gravel in there; they will put plywood sheets and lumber and power tools; boxes of nails and air compressors; the toolbox that they always want, the toolbox for this job, a…

Mr Money Mustache had several articles about this.

Work trucks should be making you as much money as possible while costing as little as possible, so as to increase your profits.

This one comes to mind: https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2015/04/28/what-does-your-wo...

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Post by modeless »

brownkonas wrote: post #121
Ninjinka wrote: post #51

We all knew the pricing would never hold, but seeing it now it still hurts

The tri-motor 500 mile range was probably the aspect that I found most exciting, seeing that removed hurts as well.

They're going to sell a battery that sits in the bed and gives 470 miles total range. https://i.imgur.com/Y5WsErc.png

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Post by davidw »

LTL_FTC wrote: post #297
dsr_ wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh. Actually, let me tell you: Most trades workers don't need full-sized pickup trucks. They do need an 8 foot bed. An amazing number of full-sized pickups come with 6.5 foot beds by default, and cost extra for the 8 foot. They won't put 2 tons of gravel in there; they will put plywood sheets and lumber and power tools; boxes of nails and air compressors; the toolbox that they always want, the toolbox for this job, a…

I think most trades would be better served by a van rather than a pickup truck. Ingress and egress is much easier. It is also easier to load and drive due to lower center of gravity. Expensive tools are out of the elements and generally safer (and so less risk of tools and material making their way onto the highway). Plus, better drag coefficient and so better efficiency. Finally, a roof rack allows for those items y…

Vans are pretty common in Europe. Trucks are quite rare.

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Post by newZWhoDis »

megaman821 wrote: post #232
rich_sasha wrote: post #133

Steer by wire sounds like a disastrous idea to me, especially in a car made with attention to detail of Tesla. I'm not even sure where to start. It's less reliable, surely it must be (at least without significant investment into QA and redundancy). A physical wheel physically connected to bits turning the wheels, well, the power steering can do, but you can still turn the thing. Then, it's all software driven. And it…

I lost pneumatic steering during a turn, and it nearly tore my arm off. Not sure most people would be able to drive over a few mph without powered steering. Hopefully the steer by wire systems are backed by another steer by wire system, so it would be terrible luck if you lost both at the same time.

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Post by geoelectric »

jdminhbg wrote: post #255
NewJazz wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Car dealers say they can’t sell EVs, tell Biden to slow their rollout https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38460281 I wonder if the price-gouge-EV-customers and complain-about-EV-subsidies groups overlap... Hmm.

I think probably it's a disjoint group, or at least a disjoint set of circumstances. What the dealers are complaining about are the rules phasing in about what % of your sales need to be EVs. There are some successes, like the F-150, but there are also a ton of terrible legacy manufacturer EVs that nobody wants to buy that are kinda just sitting around. If Ford and the other carmakers could make vehicles as popular a…

I heard similar grumbles from Hyundai dealers around San Jose, CA, re: the Ioniq 5, and that model got a lot of accolades and is frequently recommended as an alternative to the Tesla Model Y for its category. I'm not sure what's going on is strictly a legacy model desirability issue.

It might be a "legacy dealers can't sell even good EVs because they don't know enough about them" issue though. Really hard to say, but that definitely would match my personal experience talking to a number of them.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

ethbr1 wrote: post #11
RockRobotRock wrote: post #2

If Silicon Valley was still airing, Russ Hanneman would have one of these.

Please, it barely has thousandaire doors. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Xe-U4NcyU makes hand motions

These are not the doors of a billionaire Richard
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