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Henry Kissinger Has Died

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Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Hikikomori wrote: post #523
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #514

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So he cannot be a war criminal because he's not in the military? And being part of the war cabinet and directing which villages to bomb on a map is somehow not commanding the military?

> being part of the war cabinet and directing which villages to bomb on a map is somehow not commanding the military?

Not in the way the Conventions define it. (Kissinger absolutely violated international law. He should have been prosecuted. But not as a war criminal.)

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

__loam wrote: post #538
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #517

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> Eichmann had no part in the holocaust because he just organized the trains Eichman was an SS officer! In what way did he lack command authority?

Kissinger was picking out targets in Cambodia. In what way was he not deeply involved?

Nobody asked if he was “deeply involved.” Nobody is even contesting that he acted illegally. Solely that he was a war criminal, which has a specific legal meaning.

War criminal is the new RICO. Except the latter doesn’t lose legitimacy when the public mis-uses it.

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

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Post by hulitu »

shadowgovt wrote: post #294
jhbadger wrote: post #282

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That's very common. Basically all elderly people of note have obituaries written by reporters on staff so that an article can be gotten out quickly if the subject dies suddenly. Not uncommonly, the targets of the obituary are of a higher class and have better medical treatment and so live beyond their obituary writer.

Perhaps worth noting that he lived 13 years past the time the obituary was penned.

It really doesn't matter. Those writers are immortal. The only thing that would change such an obituary, is a regime change.

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

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Post by standardUser »

AYBABTME wrote: post #397
standardUser wrote: post #391

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"The logical fallacy you're committing is called the Straw Man Fallacy. This fallacy occurs when someone misrepresents or distorts an opponent's argument or position, creating a weaker or exaggerated version of it."

My analogy is your straw man falacy.

I don't think you know what an analogy is.

Re: Henry Kissinger Has Died

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Post by hulitu »

skrebbel wrote: post #407
mmpdev wrote: post #319

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Not only would we not recommend our war criminals to the ICC, we have on the books the authorization to be able to invade the Hague in case any US person was being held or tried. Hague Invasion Act / ASPA is wild.

The rest of the west is allied with the US because they’re the least evil guys, not because they’re the good guys. I’m Dutch and knowing that the US has a constant threat of extreme violence against us written into their law scares the crap out of me. We’re supposed to be happy jolly NATO allies but srsly that shit is not cool.

> The rest of the west is allied with the US because they’re the least evil guys, not because they’re the good guys.

No, because the US controls the "free media" and politicians in those countries. It's funny how almost all Kissinger article today were positive in this country.

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Post by hulitu »

skrebbel wrote: post #463
ilkke wrote: post #449

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Least evil by what metric?

Liberty, rule of law etc. For all its shortcomings, the US-dominated part of the world has more of that than the rest.

> Liberty, rule of law

Maybe you should read about Kissinger and his relation with the above.

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Post by cyberge99 »

ed_balls wrote: post #592
stormking wrote: post #586

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Hospitals and schools that are used by Hamas.

There is zero evidence that Hamas used hospitals for military purposes. Unless you are saying that people use schools to get education and hospitals to get medical treatment, well then yes.

There is video of entrances into the Hamas tunnel system in hospital rubble. So at a minimum they were using the hospital for an unintended purpose. How can one have rules of engagement when terrorists to not honor them?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

__loam wrote: post #384
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #78

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> level at which Henry Kissinger micromanaged the bombing of innocent civilians can not be overlooked Sure. But legally irrelevant. He didn’t command them. The person receiving the order could—and in many cases, should—have refused. That’s different if e.g. Nixon ordered it directly, because in that case it’s a military command. Again, these terms had meaning. But they’re practically unenforceable even in public opin…

I think I hate this website.

> I hate this

This is a natural response to divergent opinions [1]. It’s the mechanism through which social media polarises populations [2][3].

Our brains simply didn’t evolve to deal with multiple hypotheses and different opinions, and most of us never get the training to do so calmly and effectively.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_sorting

[2] https://pnas.scienceconnect.io/api/oauth/authorize?ui_locale...

[3] https://academic.oup.com/poq/article/80/S1/351/2223236?login...

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Post by Always_Anon »

93po wrote: post #594
Always_Anon wrote: post #591

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>While I agree to an extent, this begs an obvious question: How far do we take this line of thinking? It be cool if military and geopolitical leaders got together to define some of these things. They could get together and have a convention of sorts, maybe in a central, neutral place, like Geneva. >Is an attack like 9/11 justified since even the twin towers were used by the US government indirectly, owing to nearly e…

> It be cool if military and geopolitical leaders got together to define some of these things. Israel is blatantly violating international laws

>Israel is blatantly violating international laws

Bombing military targets is allowed. Hospitals, mosques, etc. lose their protected status if they are being used for military operations, which they are.

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Post by dragonwriter »

igravious wrote: post #582
skrebbel wrote: post #418

I just can’t help think how much wider the global support for the west (incl eg ukraine) would be today if Kissinger’s “we can do war crimes and install dictators all we like cause we’re the good guys” doctrine hadn’t made it to the forefront of US policy. Even from a hardcore neorealist perspective, the harm has by now well outlasted the benefit.

Kissinger is on record (from WEF/Davos of all places) as having criticized the West's position in the Ukraine-Russia conflict. The only reason he swum against the tide was because he was 98 at the time and probably doesn't give a shit what anybody thinks of him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZw0zGFvzI He's a monster and I'm glad he's dead but he was spot on about the inevitable outcome in Ukraine and how sanction…

> Kissinger is on record (from WEF/Davos of all places) as having criticized the West's position in the Ukraine-Russia conflict. The only reason he swum against the tide was because he was 98 at the time and probably doesn't give a shit what anybody thinks of him.

Kissinger’s support for accepting Russian imperialist crimes against prace and war crimes in Ukraine is grounded in the same realpolitik as his advocacy of US imperialist crimes against peace and war crimes throughout his career, and his advice on tape to Nixon in the 70s about the plight of Jees trying to flee persecution in the USSR that even if rose to the level of gas chambers, it shouldn't be considered a US concern.

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