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Henry Kissinger Has Died

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Post by koolba »

dnsco wrote: post #340
whatshisface wrote: post #320

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That last sentence is a massive step beyond common knowledge, if it's true... and I don't think it is, what can doctors do?

> The gap in life expectancy between the richest 1% and poorest 1% of individuals was 14.6 years (95% CI, 14.4 to 14.8 years) for men and 10.1 years (95% CI, 9.9 to 10.3 years) for women. Second, inequality in life expectancy increased over time. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4866586/#:~:tex... .

I really doubt a writer for the NYT is going to be in the bottom 1% of income or wealth.

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Post by trashymctrash »

Terr_ wrote: post #497
mywacaday wrote: post #470

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Out of curiosity I asked ChatGpt 4 to write an obituary for him and it refused as it would insensitive or disrespectful. I told it he had passed away, it checked the internet and wrote the obituary. The power of ChatGPT continues to amaze me.

> I told it to he had passed away, it checked the internet Are you sure it didn't just "believe" what you told it, the same way LLMs can be badgered into falsehoods?

it now uses bing to perform searches. so i think he is probably correct to assume that it did that. it would show up as „performing search with bing“ in the chat history.

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Post by capableweb »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #385
animal_spirits wrote: post #368

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Nuanced and unbiased conversation is much needed in this world, and having multiple viewpoints from people with different biases helps us all.

So what's the unbiased take going to be? "Yeah he caused a lot of damage and suffering, but sometimes he also progressed our (the US) interests without hurting anyone"?

Yes, basically. I disagree strongly with that Kissinger was anything of a balanced man, and I think it took too long for him to die, the world would have been a better place without him, and so on.

But I still think it's valuable for people who don't share that view, to make their own opinions public, as we all get richer by having multiple and sometimes opposing views out there.

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Post by senectus1 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #272
anotherhue wrote: post #205

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This is incredible. This is the quality of discourse we have lost.

Hitch was one of the rare, great journalists and commentators that had the capacity to independently think for himself.

even the people calling him up on the call in section on the were more sane than what we get today.

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Post by solarkraft »

ithkuil wrote: post #529
caskstrength wrote: post #506

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Yeah, but you are paying 20$ per-month subscription _and also have to sweet-talk the stochastic parrot into giving you the result you want_ while it keeps lecturing you in condescending tone.

It's not human, why are you offended by how it talks to you? It's a tool. Many tools need some adjustment before they can be useful for what you do. You surely won't be viscerally upset if you pay $20 for a tool that occasionally spills oil on you if you hold it wrong. You'd still think the tool is crap because its designers made an UX decision you hate, but you surely would not throw away the tool out of principle,…

It's the same frustration I'd have with other badly designed tools: "I shouldn't have to do this"

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Post by makeitdouble »

boppo1 wrote: post #471
makeitdouble wrote: post #305

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Asking half rethorically, how would these descriptions be different if they were fully objective and the guy was a really horrible person ? In general a podcast series will be started after the hosts have researched the subject, and decided they have an angle to present it to their public. Following them while doing their research could be interesting at small doses, but the number of absolute non stories or boring c…

>In general a podcast series will be started after the hosts have researched the subject, and decided they have an angle to present it to their public. Following them while doing their research could be interesting at small doses, but the number of absolute non stories or boring conclusions would be staggering and they'd need to be crazy entertaining by themselves to keep a whole podcast going on that pace. This is f…

I never heard of the Age of Napoleon podcast, seems to be a series by a Texas resident revisiting Napoleon's history after getting fascinated by the subject.

There's a ton of distance between the author and the subject, it's about something they deeply enjoy and decided to dedicate more than a hundred episode to, and I'm not sure how much being Marxists matters here, when Marx started becoming famous after Napoleon died.

That's a lot different from discussing a politician of your own country who's still alive and untried at the time you do your podcast series.

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Post by philistine »

mhh__ wrote: post #528
estomagordo wrote: post #484

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As an outsider, it seems like the lawyer population must be approaching 100% of Americans soon. Is there anything or anyone Americans can't sue?

Does this like look a man who has had all he could eat?

That could have been me!

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Post by __loam »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #517
__loam wrote: post #349

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This is like arguing Eichmann had no part in the holocaust because he just organized the trains. I imagine the Cambodians would make the same distinction the Israelis did, in that both men were clearly evil people.

> Eichmann had no part in the holocaust because he just organized the trains Eichman was an SS officer! In what way did he lack command authority?

Kissinger was picking out targets in Cambodia. In what way was he not deeply involved?

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Post by Solstinox »

skrebbel wrote: post #407
mmpdev wrote: post #319

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Not only would we not recommend our war criminals to the ICC, we have on the books the authorization to be able to invade the Hague in case any US person was being held or tried. Hague Invasion Act / ASPA is wild.

The rest of the west is allied with the US because they’re the least evil guys, not because they’re the good guys. I’m Dutch and knowing that the US has a constant threat of extreme violence against us written into their law scares the crap out of me. We’re supposed to be happy jolly NATO allies but srsly that shit is not cool.

You are not an ally, you are a de facto vassal. Compared to other vassals in history you don't have to send much in the way of tribute.

Frankly, you have a pretty good deal. We provide your protection, you can do your Dutch things, and we don't bother you too much other than the occasional McDonalds garrison.

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Post by jackothy »

ithkuil wrote: post #529
caskstrength wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but you are paying 20$ per-month subscription _and also have to sweet-talk the stochastic parrot into giving you the result you want_ while it keeps lecturing you in condescending tone.

It's not human, why are you offended by how it talks to you? It's a tool. Many tools need some adjustment before they can be useful for what you do. You surely won't be viscerally upset if you pay $20 for a tool that occasionally spills oil on you if you hold it wrong. You'd still think the tool is crap because its designers made an UX decision you hate, but you surely would not throw away the tool out of principle,…

I absolutely would refuse to buy tools from a manufacturer that makes user hostile UX decisions on purpose.
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