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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#241

how is the quora ceo who now runs a competing AI company still on the board?

I bet there are tons of seemingly "conflict of interest" in companies boards. In fact, being major shareholder qualifies (but not sufficiently) for the board. Jobs was Disney's board member after Pixar's acquisition. You could argues Apple is now a competitor to Disney. So what? If a competitor acquires enough control of a company what's wrong?

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you don't rely on a business that had 80% of its staff threaten to quit overnight?

> staff threaten to quit overnight They didn't, though. They threatened to continue tomorrow! It's called "walking across the street" and there's an expression for it because it's a thing that happens if governance fails but Makers gonna Make. Microsoft was already running the environment, with rights to deliver it to customers, and added a paycheck for the people pouring themselves into it. The staff "threatened" to…

>They didn't, though. They threatened to continue tomorrow!

Are you saying ~80% of OpenAI employees did not threaten to stop being employees of OpenAI during this kerfuffle?

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #35

i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

Well, their big mistake was being unwilling to be clear and explicit about this, but as I read it, the board's problem with him was that he wasn't actually acting as the executive of the non-profit that he was meant to be the executive of, but rather was acting entirely in the interests of a for-profit subsidiary of it (and in his own interests), which were in conflict with the non-profit's charter. I think where the…

Argue their case? To whom? They were the board.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #212

Can't help but feel weird about all the thanking in the letter, especially the "sincere" thanks to Tasha and Helen, the possible main antagonists in this soap opera. It's like a written version of the heart emojis in their Twitter exchanges.

Reeks of CEO speak; general bullshit that seems to go against all practical reasoning of the situation. Don't fall for it.

Might you describe CEO speak as not consistently candid?

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #62

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3cs78i/whats_the... that Sam Altman.

This post should be higher. This Reddit post from 8-years ago, reads eerily similar to what happened at OpenAI … and Sam is the common denominator at both.

I mean maybe it’s all a master plan of Sam’s, but that still requires the board to be dumb enough to literally fire him in the stupidest way possible and refuse to communicate anything about WHY. So maybe he made up something to give them the whole “not being candid” argument - call the bluff. Tell people why. If he lied or made up the meta lie of not being canid, then that’s great info to share. But they haven’t!

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #156

> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

Why? If the product is useful (it is to me), then why do you care so much as to the internal politics? If it ceases to be useful or something better comes along, sure. But this strikes me as being serially online and involved in drama

These internal drama can play out in the service. Frame the question as: do you want to build on an unstable/unsteady platform?

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think they necessarily owe the public an explanation, and I’m fairly sure that privately everyone that needs to know, already knows.

You don't think that as a non-profit, the public is owed and explanation? As the public, we exempt them from taxes that everyone else has to pay, because we acknowledge that nonprofit is in the interest of people. I think they do owe us an explanation. If they were a private for-profit company, I would probably feel differently, but given their non-profit status, and the fact that their mission is explicitly to serve…

I'm sure the law specifies what the public is owed. And if not, I'm sure there's plenty reason to test this in court.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #212

Can't help but feel weird about all the thanking in the letter, especially the "sincere" thanks to Tasha and Helen, the possible main antagonists in this soap opera. It's like a written version of the heart emojis in their Twitter exchanges.

Their actions vastly, unexpectedly to them, enhanced his leverage. It may well be sincere!

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#249

> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

Why? I'm genuinely curious. I'm not a particularly wealthy individual paying for ChatGPT and I didn't flinch at the news.
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