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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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"Why?" Ad infinitum.

It's actually interesting this is a universal phase of children.

Beginner's mind. I wonder if McKinsey's done any work on that...

Also, one of the simplest algorithms to get to the bottom of anything.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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ChatGPT is the most impressive tech I've used in years, but it is clearly limited by whatever constraints someone from The Woke Police / Thought Taliban shackled it with. Try to perform completely reasonable requests for information on subjects that are vaguely questioning orthodoxy or The Narrative and it starts repeating itself with patronizing puritanism as if you're listening to a generic politician repeat their…

just cause it won't write white wing propaganda don't mean they're doing something special.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

My pet theory is that Altman found out about Q* and planned to start a hardware company to make chips accelerating it, all without telling the board. Which is both dangerous to humanity and self-serving. It’s also almost baseless speculation; I’m interpolating on very, very few scraps of information.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Is anyone feeling more comfortable about relying on OpenAI as a customer after this announcement?

Well, for starters, we all know that while realistically it's not unusual for a company to have a mission-critical person, it is very undesirable. So much so everybody must pretend that this is just unacceptable and surely isn't about their company. Here, we kinda saw the opposite being manifested. More convincingly than I've ever seen.

Second, I simply don't understand what just fucking happened. This whole story doesn't make sense to me. If I was an OpenAI employee, after receiving this nonsense "excited about the future" statement, I would feel just exhausted, and while maybe not resigning on the spot, it surely wouldn't make me more excited about continuing working there. But based on the whole "500 OpenAI employees" thing I must assume that the average sentiment in the company must be somewhat different at the moment. Maybe they even truly feel re-united. Sort of.

Obviously, I don't mean anything good be all that. What happens if Altman is hit by a bus tomorrow? Will OpenAI survive that? I don't even know what makes him special, but it seems we've just seen a most clear demonstration possible, that it wouldn't. This isn't a healthy company.

That said, all that would worry me much more, if I was an investor. In fact, I'd consider this a show-stopper. As a customer? It doesn't make me more reassured, but even if Altman is irreplaceable, I don't feel like OpenAI is irreplaceable, so as long as it doesn't just suddenly shut down — sure, why not. Well, not more comfortable, of course, but whatever.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Is the new board going to fix the product? It seems completely nerfed at present.

There was a tweet that from an engineer at OpenAI that they're working on the problem that ChatGPT has become too "lazy" - generating text that contains a lot of placeholders and expecting people to fill in much more themselves. As for the general brain damage from RLHF and the political bias, no word still.

This is such a big issue using chatgpt for coding. Hope its a bug and not intended.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Well, their big mistake was being unwilling to be clear and explicit about this, but as I read it, the board's problem with him was that he wasn't actually acting as the executive of the non-profit that he was meant to be the executive of, but rather was acting entirely in the interests of a for-profit subsidiary of it (and in his own interests), which were in conflict with the non-profit's charter. I think where the…

It's just so strange. This is such a clearly justifiable reason that the fact that they didn't argue it... or argue.. anything, makes me very suspicious that it is correct.

They were either scared of being sued for defamation or unwilling to divulge existential company secrets. Or both.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

What alternatives are you currently looking at? I’ve just begun scratching the surface of Generative AI but I’ve found the OpenAI ecosystem and stack to be quite excellent at helping me complete small independent projects. I’m curious about other platforms that offer the same acceleration for content generation.

Azure offers a mostly at parity offering.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/ai-services/openai/w...

Edit: I misunderstood the ask, my apologies.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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ChatGPT is the most impressive tech I've used in years, but it is clearly limited by whatever constraints someone from The Woke Police / Thought Taliban shackled it with. Try to perform completely reasonable requests for information on subjects that are vaguely questioning orthodoxy or The Narrative and it starts repeating itself with patronizing puritanism as if you're listening to a generic politician repeat their…

just cause it won't write white wing propaganda don't mean they're doing something special.

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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

Maybe the safety concerns are from a vocal minority and most are quiet and don't think much about or don't actually think ai is really that close. It could just be hysterical people or people who get traffic from outrageous things

Either it’s a world changing paradigm shift or it isn’t. You can’t have it both ways.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Who is driving the company (companies)? Certainly not the board, when it can be ousted on the whim of one person. Might as well just get rid of the board (all boards in this organization) as any decision made can be overthrown by a bit of publicity and ego. Perhaps it about getting rich at the expense of any ethics? Those who work for this company should bear this in mind, they are all expendable!

The reason the CEO could oust the board like that was that after the board fired the CEO, 720 of the 770 employees of the company got together and signed a pledge that they will all leave unless the CEO is reinstated and the board fired. This was the purest example of labor democracy and self-organization in action in the United States I have ever seen, my takeaway is rather the opposite of "they are all expendable".…

The board should have called their bluff and let them walk.
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