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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

Maybe the safety concerns are from a vocal minority and most are quiet and don't think much about or don't actually think ai is really that close. It could just be hysterical people or people who get traffic from outrageous things

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#132

> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

they're definitely going full B2B so it's likely this is the start of a new age Oracle.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #3

Is the new board going to fix the product? It seems completely nerfed at present.

There was a tweet that from an engineer at OpenAI that they're working on the problem that ChatGPT has become too "lazy" - generating text that contains a lot of placeholders and expecting people to fill in much more themselves. As for the general brain damage from RLHF and the political bias, no word still.

Gonna be hilarious when AGI turns out to be analagous to like a sassy 8 year old or something?

Like "AGI, do all this random shit for me!"

AGI: No! i don't wanna!

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #35

i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

Well, their big mistake was being unwilling to be clear and explicit about this, but as I read it, the board's problem with him was that he wasn't actually acting as the executive of the non-profit that he was meant to be the executive of, but rather was acting entirely in the interests of a for-profit subsidiary of it (and in his own interests), which were in conflict with the non-profit's charter. I think where the…

Makes me curious if the reason behind that is just an NDA.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#136

> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

It’s not like it was a big secret. There was MIT Press report a few years ago that had clearly outlined OpenAI setup.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/17/844721/ai-openai...

Hopefully recent events were enough of a wake up call for regulators and the unaware.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#137

> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

What alternatives are you currently looking at? I’ve just begun scratching the surface of Generative AI but I’ve found the OpenAI ecosystem and stack to be quite excellent at helping me complete small independent projects. I’m curious about other platforms that offer the same acceleration for content generation.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#138
post #35

i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

Well, their big mistake was being unwilling to be clear and explicit about this, but as I read it, the board's problem with him was that he wasn't actually acting as the executive of the non-profit that he was meant to be the executive of, but rather was acting entirely in the interests of a for-profit subsidiary of it (and in his own interests), which were in conflict with the non-profit's charter. I think where the…

It's just so strange. This is such a clearly justifiable reason that the fact that they didn't argue it... or argue.. anything, makes me very suspicious that it is correct.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a tweet that from an engineer at OpenAI that they're working on the problem that ChatGPT has become too "lazy" - generating text that contains a lot of placeholders and expecting people to fill in much more themselves. As for the general brain damage from RLHF and the political bias, no word still.

Gonna be hilarious when AGI turns out to be analagous to like a sassy 8 year old or something? Like "AGI, do all this random shit for me!" AGI: No! i don't wanna!

"Why?"

Ad infinitum.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#140
post #35

i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

I wonder how many of the OpenAI employees are part of the "Effective Accelerationism" movement (often styled e/acc on X/Twitter). These people seem to think safety concerns get in the way of progress toward a utopian AGI future.

like everything we have seen in America, whatever philosophy papers over "greed is good" will move technology and profits forward.

might as well just call it "line goes up"

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