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The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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dataworm wrote: post #318
klibertp wrote: post #302

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> Where did you get this unicorns pooping rainbows bullshit? It's called "humanism," and it's not bullshit. It mostly says that killing people is wrong. Of course, you think otherwise, so it might seem like bullshit to you. EDIT: > So Nazi Germany was fiction? No. The notion that all soldiers fighting on the Germany side in WW2 were monsters is, however. If the world subscribed to your ideology, there'd be a catacomb…

> The notion that all soldiers fighting on the Germany side in WW2 were monsters is, however. If the world subscribed to your ideology, there'd be a catacomb of millions buried under Nurnberg (there's no such thing, if you wondered). Where did I say that all soldiers fighting for Germany in WW2 were monsters? I invoked Nazi Germany because you said there are no nazis and monsters and everyone is a regular human.

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dataworm »

klibertp wrote: post #340
dataworm wrote: post #318

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> The notion that all soldiers fighting on the Germany side in WW2 were monsters is, however. If the world subscribed to your ideology, there'd be a catacomb of millions buried under Nurnberg (there's no such thing, if you wondered). Where did I say that all soldiers fighting for Germany in WW2 were monsters? I invoked Nazi Germany because you said there are no nazis and monsters and everyone is a regular human.

Somehow, not all soldiers fighting for Germany were monsters, but > russian soldiers are evil nazis, not normal people. Russian soldiers are. These are your words from upthread. Why is Russian army staffed by "evil nazis" exclusively, while actual Nazi army... wasn't?

> Why is Russian army staffed by "evil nazis" exclusively, while actual Nazi army... wasn't?

What do you mean by 'actual'? Just because the russian ruling party aren't calling themselves National-Socialists doesn't mean they aren't 'actual' nazis. Search for "rashism". russia is even more evil than Nazi Germany because Germany had one very bad episode in 1933-1945, while russia has been committing atrocities, oppressing and occupying ever since the Grand Duchy of Moscow.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by Ndymium »

nottorp wrote: post #267

Is this a mastodon instance? Mastodon is a twitter clone that doesn't allow long posts? All the posts but the first come collapsed and I have to click on each to read it. Is someone measuring engagement?

This can be configured in the instance settings and I've seen some support up to 5000 characters.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by renewiltord »

smcl wrote: post #224
astrobase_go wrote: post #177

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I think your company is PSE, correct?

I think if they wanted to name the company they would have done so in the comment

I, for one, am glad it was mentioned. There's nothing secret about it and it saves me some trouble. Thanks for taking one for the team, Guy who figured it out

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by locallost »

peppermint_gum wrote: post #271
locallost wrote: post #238

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actually I agree with itsoktocry. You assume all those things to be facts, but nobody discussing here was personally present in any of those events. I can assure you that the version of "Russians knew it was a civilian airplane" is not recognized as true in Russia. This even without being able to speak Russian, nor ever being in Russia. But of course, they are bad people :-).

Indeed, if you ignore all the evidence, including the declassified Russian documents [1], you can conclude that Russia did nothing wrong with regard to the KE007 flight. To be honest, the persistent blind contrarianism of this community is really tiring. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007#So...

I didn't say they didn't do anything wrong, it's really not about that. The comment was on the coverage of the incident that happened in 1983. Nobody in 1983 knew anything about what will be declassified in 1992. You're stuck in a good vs bad box which is what my comment was actually about.

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Post by graphe »

Cyph0n wrote: post #359
graphe wrote: post #347

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Yet the Cuban missile crisis with the stake of the entire world didn't escalate.

There were some close calls during the Cold War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alar...

For some reason I mixed this with the Cuban missile crisis, I thought it had something to do with it.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dontlaugh »

thereddaikon wrote: post #356
dontlaugh wrote: post #348

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The US orchestrated a coup in Iran and later helped Iraq invade. All for oil money.

>Claims the US was invading countries in the middle east >Lists things that isn't invading the middle east.

I’m describing the beginning of a process that later included direct invasion. Arming and goading Iraq is more covert, but still ends up with an invasion.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by quench »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #204

Another good write up of this incident is on the excellent Admiral Cloudberg blog: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/the-long-shadow-of-war-t... Another article in that series is also related to a UX mistake: Air France Flight 447. This crashed, in part, because the inputs from two control sticks (one for pilot and other for copilot) were averaged if they disagreed, unlike on a Boeing (at the time at least) where t…

>unlike on a Boeing (at the time at least) where they're physically connected so you can't have contradictory inputs in the first place

Air France seemed to manage ithttps://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/air-france-crew-fought-e...

Also glad to see that airbus are planning to put force feedback side-sticks in future.

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Post by Scoundreller »

dmix wrote: post #283
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #245

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The price in cents is the way "it was always done" in retail, back when POS terminals were not directly connected to cash registers and the worker had to manually type in the amount. But yeah, sudden change in US design will causemany errors everywhere.

I find gas station pumps 25% are with the cents approach but usually if you type in 60 and press enter it will work It’s definitely one of those UI concepts that’s different depending on context. similar to password with some websites making up random rules that vary sufficiently enough where automated password entry doesn’t work nor does using a reusable password for sites you don’t care about

Then there’s microwaves and other timers.

Punching in “99” will run much longer than “100”.

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