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The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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post #153

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Posts aren't limited to an arbitrary length in activity pub, this is the same UI logic for showing a thread in the main feed. Twitter does something similar for bluecheck long posts.

Wouldn't it be better handled by people following accounts they want to and unfollowing bad actors?

How does this apply to a discussion about the logged out view?

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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There is official count of number of civilians murdered by Soviets in 1932-1934 by hunger (Holodomor) - 7 millions as declared by Russian Duma on 02.04.2008. However, these are adults only, because children deaths are not counted at that time. With school-age children, for which records are stored, number raises to 10.5 million. Number of under school age children died because of artificial hunger in 1932-1934 is sti…

> I hope, this will help to calculate number of deaths in Iraq. It won't and there is not reason to think it will. It was a completely different situation. So keep your hopes to yourself.

Yep, it's an example of whataboutism.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Everything's possible, but there would be no debate about UI mistakes if it was Iran shooting down a US plane. They would've done because they are evil by nature, or at least perceived as such. In that case the media and the public buys into its own reality, but of course the UI discussion could be a distraction from the public maybe starting to question if that's actually the reality. Also from the Wiki page about t…

A not so subtle difference is that the pilot shooting down KAL 007 identified it as a civilian airliner and proceeded to shoot it down anyway. Another more subtle difference is that in the Iranian Airlines shootdown, the US took responsibility and at least apologized. Meanwhile the Soviets denied anything happening until they couldn't and then claimed it was a spy plane (legitimate target).

No. The shootdown of KAL 007 took place at night. There was no possible way to identify the aircraft other than via the lights coming out of the windows. A militarized 747 is called an E-4[0]. A militarized 707 is variously called an E-3 (some are AWACS) [1], KC-135 (a now-retired refueling aircraft) [2], or an EC-135 (electronic warfare equipped 707) [3].

The wikipedia page for the shootdown incident [4] lists the time as 1349 GMT. Most readers will go "they shot it down just before 2PM" instead of realizing that the location was 12 hours ahead of GMT. During the time of the USSR, Vladivostok used Moscow time, even though they are 11 timezones ahead.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-3_Sentry

2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-135_Stratotanker

3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_EC-135

4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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post #94

I wonder when a tesla will show up in a courtroom with a situation like this. I'm not talking about autopilot. I'm talking about the continuous (past ridiculous) removal of physical controls from their vehicles. For example, the original model S/X had dedicated controls for lots of functions - turn signals, gear shift, wipers, autopilot, steering wheel tilt, etc. On the steering wheel, there were two buttons and a sc…

Its not just Tesla. Recent Jeep models have a digital speedometer with no analog backup. From an engineering perspective these changes just introduce needless risk of complex failure for no real gain. Surely the speedometer is not the make or break cost item on a car?

The analog speedometer it replaced has been digital behind the scenes for ages. The cluster is just sat on a CAN (or similar) bus and controlling a servo for the analog gauge. The pure digital speedometer is significantly less failure prone (and indeed when it does fail, it’s obvious).

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“It’s a Boeing” could be waved away this way. 747s aren’t used as military or spy planes with the exception of Air Force One and the E-4, neither of which would ever be there unescorted and unannounced.

They also don't have a large an obvious "Korean Air" livery on them. Military aircraft are marked appropriately. I wouldn't necessarily expect a soviet fighter pilot to read english but I would expect him to recognize what a civil airliner looks like. The USSR had their own and also wore colorful liveries.

It was shot down at night. There's no way to view the livery on a dark plane at just before 2 AM.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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A quite recent UX disaster at Paypal. The Paypal iOS app used to behave strange with numbers. The interface was designed that you had to type in the amount you wanted to send in cents. If you wanted to send USD 50, you had to type 5000. Paypal then would add a comma after the second digit from the right. What made it even stranger: The numbers were aligned right, so it had the feeling of typing backwards. I never rea…

Always felt wrong. Now it's even more wrong.

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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A quite recent UX disaster at Paypal. The Paypal iOS app used to behave strange with numbers. The interface was designed that you had to type in the amount you wanted to send in cents. If you wanted to send USD 50, you had to type 5000. Paypal then would add a comma after the second digit from the right. What made it even stranger: The numbers were aligned right, so it had the feeling of typing backwards. I never rea…

Perhaps a better design could be two number fields clearly demarcating the two halves of the value.

Plus, you cannot fill more than digits after the decimal place for most currencies, so IMO the design they went with (even though it is done that way on POS terminals) is bad for web and phone apps.

For example, if some system showed a value to transfer at $25.645, and the person input 25645 by mistake, instead of 2564, they would end up sending $256!

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Interesting to see this on HN. I currently work for the company that redesigned the HMI/UI following this incident. Or rather, it's how my company was founded. In the aftermath, the US Navy Command in San Diego contacted several UCSD professors in the Cognitive Science and Psychology department who specialized in high-impact decision making under stress and cognitive load. The Navy was apparently impressed with the d…

Fun fact the Captain of the Vincennes went to school for psychology and his father was a US Navy Psychologist in WW2.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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post #239

> they saw this contact heading towards them labeled as an F-14 fighter. What's wild to me is the assumption that Iran would suddenly launch a single F-14 fighter to attack a ship. Was there no moment where they thought "maybe there has been a mistake?" - like where Stanislav Petrov chose to interpret the Soviet early warning system telling him an ICBM was incoming as being a result of some faulty instruments. Grante…

In the moment, it's really hard to step back and ask yourself "Does this make any sense?" when you're primed to react in some particular way.
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