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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by Tangurena2 »

t0mas88 wrote: post #166
dontlaugh wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what do you think the reaction of Americans would be if that happened? And especially if those warships were prepared to shoot?

This happens all the time. There is a documentary for example on the HMS Elizabeth carrier from the UK and how they deliberately navigated through Crimea waters (together with the Dutch navy) to make a point that they're allowed to do so because that water is Ukrainian and not Russian. In the same documentary you also see Chinese ships follow around the British group, and Russian jets overflying it. All in internatio…

The Montreux Convention[0] prohibits large warships from transiting the Bosporous Strait. That carrier displaces 65,000 tons, the upper limit of the treaty only permits warships of 15,000 tons or less. The UK is one of the signatories to that treaty.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_...

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_aircraft...

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by marvin »

immibis wrote: post #186
spacecadet wrote: post #105

Had family members on the Aegis design team... I got another UI disaster... y'all had a chance to end this insane twitter thread UX and you chose to continue it. Why on earth do people post content like this... how much effort do you want me to put in? all that extra energy clicking, making requests...

Twitter thread UX makes sense for Twitter, but why do people post things on Twitter, the social media for short messages, that are so long they need threads?

It’s the place where both the audience and all the interesting authors are.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by klibertp »

tpm wrote: post #169
brabel wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe they bombed the theater because they were actively trying to kill Ukrainian children? You know , people tend to believe the "other side" is so evil that they probably actually believe shit like this. That's the kind of belief that makes people think that all means justify the end and why we have wars that kill hundreds of thousands in the first place... if you saw people from the other side as just nor…

> Do you believe they bombed the theater because they were actively trying to kill Ukrainian children? Yes. They are also actively bombing clinics (including the maternity ward in Mariupol too, look it up) and they have done that in Syria too. It's pretty well documented. They are evil, but more than that, it's a strategy. They are currently also bombing civilian areas, fully aware that they are civilian areas. There…

> They are currently also bombing civilian areas, fully aware that they are civilian areas.

They might be "fully aware" that those areas are used by the "enemy" to stockpile materiel and gather personnel. That would make those areas legitimate targets. Can you prove a) there were no military targets there, or b) the attackers were "aware" there were no military targets there? I can't - nobody can. That's why when you allow a war to happen, we've all lost already. Everything after that is just choosing sides and framing events to align with your expectations/convictions. I don't like that because it distracts from the fundamental problem: that war and killing are just wrong, no matter who does it and how.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by gosub100 »

moritz64 wrote: post #209

A quite recent UX disaster at Paypal. The Paypal iOS app used to behave strange with numbers. The interface was designed that you had to type in the amount you wanted to send in cents. If you wanted to send USD 50, you had to type 5000. Paypal then would add a comma after the second digit from the right. What made it even stranger: The numbers were aligned right, so it had the feeling of typing backwards. I never rea…

I dont know what you mean by aligned right (if it aligned left it would have to know how much you intended to transfer before you started), but wells fargo web (and I think app) uses this, and I prefer it for making small payments. They know you're going to type the decimal anyway, so they save you a step. I get mildly annoyed that other banking sites make me type it. If I'm paying $83.21 I still have to type 4 digits, why not save me the step?

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by mannykannot »

ImaCake wrote: post #108
m463 wrote: post #94

I wonder when a tesla will show up in a courtroom with a situation like this. I'm not talking about autopilot. I'm talking about the continuous (past ridiculous) removal of physical controls from their vehicles. For example, the original model S/X had dedicated controls for lots of functions - turn signals, gear shift, wipers, autopilot, steering wheel tilt, etc. On the steering wheel, there were two buttons and a sc…

Its not just Tesla. Recent Jeep models have a digital speedometer with no analog backup. From an engineering perspective these changes just introduce needless risk of complex failure for no real gain. Surely the speedometer is not the make or break cost item on a car?

While it is important for cars to have speedometers so that drivers can learn to judge their speed, with a little bit of caution, a journey during which the speedometer fails can be completed both safely and within speed limits.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #184
neffo wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posts aren't limited to an arbitrary length in activity pub, this is the same UI logic for showing a thread in the main feed. Twitter does something similar for bluecheck long posts.

It's hard for me to understand the advantages of this setup. Given the confusion in this thread, it's clearly poorly implemented.

If you want to jump to the conversation/replies to the OP's multi-post, this is a lot less scrolling than if each part of the OP's multi-post was automatically expanded. There's an advantage of the setup for you. This might be desirable as it could encourage participating in the conversation, though an argument can be made that it comes with a risk of people skipping the content and joining the conversation with incomplete context.

The fade effect on the line of text shown is in line with how "click to show more" is done in many places all over the web. It took me a thoroughly minimal amount of mental capacity to realize there was more. I clicked, and got more. It's really not that confusing.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by mannykannot »

macintux wrote: post #218
ImaCake wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not just Tesla. Recent Jeep models have a digital speedometer with no analog backup. From an engineering perspective these changes just introduce needless risk of complex failure for no real gain. Surely the speedometer is not the make or break cost item on a car?

Fortunately I bought my Jeep with a manual; as long as I know what gear I'm in, I know roughly how fast I'm driving by sound. But I'd be surprised if Jeep is the only example of this (outside Tesla). Surely this is the way all cars have been going for a while.

Things started going downhill when the physical controls became indistinguishable by touch.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dang »

spacecadet wrote: post #105

Had family members on the Aegis design team... I got another UI disaster... y'all had a chance to end this insane twitter thread UX and you chose to continue it. Why on earth do people post content like this... how much effort do you want me to put in? all that extra energy clicking, making requests...

"Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

(What would be interesting is hearing more about the Aegis design team, if you want to share)

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dataworm »

brabel wrote: post #168
dataworm wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

russian soldiers are evil nazis, not normal people. Most of the russian population supports the invasion, destruction of Ukrainian cities and killing of Ukrainian children.

And where did you learn that? My wife is Ukrainian and knows lot of Russians and Belarussians (they're neighbours after all, and no they don't all hate each other!!), they watch each other TV shows and like mostly the same singers (they understand each other pretty well)... a lot of the biggest Ukrainian singers go to live and work in Russia (though obviously they're now being criticized heavily in Ukraine when they…

If you read any news in Ukraine you would know that. I'm Ukrainian and everyone in Ukraine who isn't a russian supporter shares my opinion. Some Ukrainian singers live and work in russia, most stopped going there after 2014, even more after 2022. It's you who doesn't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. Ukrainians and russians do hate each other now. russians celebrate the killing of Ukrainian civillians, and almost every Ukrainian hates them. Belarussians are different, most of the don't support russia and lukashenko.
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