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No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

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Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

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post #7

This is very anecdotal, so your experiences probably are very different (especially since I'm in Arizona, a lot of people here just aren't nearly as hacker-friendly as the Bay area). Out of the ~15-20 project ideas that people have talked to me about, I've been asked to sign an NDA 4 times. I found something interesting about the people who asked for an NDA: they weren't very good at following up. For most of the oth…

> a vision of grandeur this sounds about right. "MY IDEA IS EARTHSHAKING, I can't possibly just TELL it to you. I am totally going to revolutionize the ..."

I can't believe this is getting so many upvotes. As an active angel I get emailed about 4 of these a day. Deletia, unfortunately.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#62
post #6

Indeed. What if you sign an NDA, and then they tell you some completely obvious idea: Are you now bound from it? Etc.

Some NDAs are worded to excluded any information available publicly attainable from third party or if the client makes it public.

So?

I make you sign an NDA to hear my TOTALLY REVOLUTIONARY idea. You sign it. And then I tell you, we're going to do [incredibly obvious thing related to your current business].

If you then go and do it (like I said, it was obvious) I sue you for taking my idea.

Oops?

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question I routinely ask whenever someone tells me about their amazing business scheme is "what is your plan to stop competitors from copying the basic idea and overtaking you?" or "what is to stop the established player in the market expanding their product to include this idea (probably as a check-box option) and making your company irrelevant?"

What's the right answer? Because if it's anything other than "nothing" I'd like to hear an example.

What's the right answer? Because if it's anything other than "nothing" I'd like to hear an example.

The market they address is another way. For example if a competitor is focussed on "premium" customers, it can be hard for them to support bargin-hunters well (or vice versa), because by doing so they lose their existing primary market - and all their expertise is in supporting their current market.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#64
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hasn't the whole US adopted "at will" employment? Basically, you can quit for any reason, and they can terminate you for any reason. No employment agreement violation required.

Yes, though there are some differences between being fired for cause and merely having your employment relationship ended; for example, you can't collect unemployment benefits if you're fired for (a legitimate) cause. On the other hand, larger companies tend to make it a practice never to fire anyone for cause except in the most egregious circumstances, because they don't want to bother justifying it.

To clarify, though, the list of legitimate clauses is pretty small, mostly "for cause" means they're firing you because you did something illegal in the course of doing your job. A firing isn't "for cause" because the employee (e.g.) showed up for work late too many times.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#65
post #23

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If the project can be "fully described in just 4 words", you're going to lose it to established players shortly after release. First mover advantage is probably as overrated as the value of the idea.

> First mover advantage is probably as overrated as the value of the idea. If you squander your lead, yes. If you hang on to it it's worth a lot.

If you squander your lead, yes. If you hang on to it it's worth a lot.

Genuine question - what examples are there outline of large money making businesses online that got there by being the first mover. I can't think of any off the top of my head...

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question I routinely ask whenever someone tells me about their amazing business scheme is "what is your plan to stop competitors from copying the basic idea and overtaking you?" or "what is to stop the established player in the market expanding their product to include this idea (probably as a check-box option) and making your company irrelevant?"

What's the right answer? Because if it's anything other than "nothing" I'd like to hear an example.

Your competitive advantage is your sword. Your barrier to entry is your shield or "moat". Typically, these should be hard to copy things that you can evolve over time to make your business stronger. Here are some examples...

- Classic competitive advantages:

1. A strong sales force created by partnering which regional players that agreed to exclusively serve you (i.e. Groupon). In this case the barrier to entry is that, assuming you filtered your selections well, is very hard to get more or better seasoned/connected people to compete with an established player.

2. An algorithm that we developed and academia thinks is not going to work (Google). If academia thinks your algorithm is a good fit for the problem them that knowledge is public, well studied and been executed upon. (Google used secrecy, designed new systems and engaged in many partnerships with data centers initially to make their algorithm work at scale)

3. Network dynamics: Enlist developers and become a platform faster and better than the competition. This would create to barriers to entry: a spiraling viral growth curve that is hard to follow and the recognition and trust that developers will bring to your brand. Facebook won in part because of this and in part because MySpace, Ning and the other players couldn't execute as well as they did.

- Strong barriers to entry:

1. You already have 20M in VC, went global and have dominated most of the SERPS (search engine result pages) for your content network. This is a form of market share domination and you need to fight using guerrilla tactics in this case. For example, promote your site using social media, start in unexplored geographies or complete in the virgin mobile market. Some companies that fight using this technique are AOL, About.com, Demand Media and Mahalo.

2. A strong patent portfolio and the money and will to defend them. IP is not enough, you need good lawyers, the will to fight for your turf and a good set of Plan B's to execute when the competition infringes on you. Notice that you can't instantly avoid infringement, only deter it. Good examples of companies that use this include UStream, Apple and HP.

3. Brand and execution: People already know that DropBox is best to share files. But what if Apple created a new service to share files. They tried! But people are already familiar with the DropBox brand and prefer their execution: because now they can share files across platforms. Now, in order to win, the competition has to follow DropBox's model (which is the standard by which users measure quality) and then leapfrog them.

Business model design is a fascinating subject, if you which to answer most of your questions regarding this field and become a Jedi in the architecture of competitive advantages and barriers to entry, I suggest you do the following:

- Read "Business Model Generation: A Handbook for Visionaries, Game Changers, and Challengers" - Read Bill Gates Biography: Hard Drive (that has some fascinating stories about how Bill expanded Microsof to Asia and dominated the market!)

- Follow Clayton Christensen on twitter and read some of his papers. He portraits many, many strategies for startups to disrupt markets and compete in uneven situations. http://claytonchristensen.com/bio.html

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#67
post #44

Frankly, I am getting tired of this "ideas are worthless, execution is golden" mantra. Of course, "let's build a online shop" idea is useless, but it's not really an idea to begin with. An idea that is worth discussing with others would typically include some minimal validation, an execution and marketing plan and, in general, some amount of thought put into it. Because otherwise it's not an idea, but a random brainf…

I still think ideas are basically worthless. That's certainly true literally; 20 years in software and I've never heard of anybody selling one for significant money. First-mover advantage can sometimes be helpful, but it rarely determines success. Look at Amazon, Google, and Facebook, for example: leaders in their categories, but none of them was first. A person with a brilliant idea who can't execute well is almost…

Indeed, I think first-mover advantage is generally quite overrated. It helps to have some forerunners soften up the market to make your penetration smoother, and I can't think of many major players who are there simply because they were the first mover.

It can take some time to undo a company's market share if they were first to market, but better products generally win out even if they're comparatively late (as long as they're not too late).

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First mover advantage is probably as overrated as the value of the idea. If you squander your lead, yes. If you hang on to it it's worth a lot.

If you squander your lead, yes. If you hang on to it it's worth a lot. Genuine question - what examples are there outline of large money making businesses online that got there by being the first mover. I can't think of any off the top of my head...

And the answer to that is another question - are you building a large money making business from scratch or an attractive acquisition target?

To each his own, basically. First-to-market advantage, coupled with an innovative, actually useful idea and polished execution is a sure way to build large user following quickly, which is typically one of early-stage startup's top priorities. Large money making comes afterwards and it requires an established business, which is a different context where first to the market advantage is of a lesser importance.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#69
I been at both sides of the table, had every idiot out there with TNFB ("the next facebook") ask me to sign a poorly written NDA before sharing their half-asses ideas.

But it stops being funny when you consider how much it would suck to get not only your idea but your entire plan for a startup stolen.

I heard this story at TheFunded about how a certain well-known startup began in that way. The original founders pitched it to some investors who liked it, but had doubts about the team, so what they do? they give everything (biz plan, doc, mockups, etc) to their EiRs and they launch an exact copy of it, sans the domain name for obvious reasons.

For me it was just another story, until I talked to one of the investors at that fund and instead of flat out denying it he said "how do you know that?"

Consider that whatever verbal contract you got with investors or other entrepreneurs is not legally valid, so if they actually copy your ideas you are SOL.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

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post #10

Related: the abysmal state of IP clauses in developer contracts. This and the NDA bandwagon all stem from the same root sickness in society - the delusion that someone can own an arbitrary piece of information in the same way that they can own a physical object. http://www.exratione.com/2011/11/the-miserable-state-of-inte... The topic for today is the sorry state of affairs that the intellectual property behemoth has…

FWIW, I just signed an employment agreement with a major development firm which included similar clauses. I was about to reject it and ask them to send one without such onerous restrictions when I got to the end of the section which included a large caveat "This section shall only apply to work performed on company time with company equipment," just in more legalese. As a graduating college student I've heard others…

> "This section shall only apply to work performed on company time with company equipment,"

The question then is who has to prove company time and equipment were used? Employer or employee?

I ask because practically its going to be a grey zone. If you accessed your private gmail account during office hours and happened to see you have a potential customer lead for your out-of-hours project, are you in violation?

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