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No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

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Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#31
Not only wouldn't I sign an NDA, I've also started getting very careful about when I might contribute my own wisdom and experience. Far too often, I've found those sorts of meetings to be as much about trolling for free advice as anything.

I explain to these people that consulting is one of my services, and the price is on my rate card.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#32
post #23

Frankly, I am getting tired of this "ideas are worthless, execution is golden" mantra. Of course, "let's build a online shop" idea is useless, but it's not really an idea to begin with. An idea that is worth discussing with others would typically include some minimal validation, an execution and marketing plan and, in general, some amount of thought put into it. Because otherwise it's not an idea, but a random brainf…

If the project can be "fully described in just 4 words", you're going to lose it to established players shortly after release. First mover advantage is probably as overrated as the value of the idea.

> First mover advantage is probably as overrated as the value of the idea.

If you squander your lead, yes. If you hang on to it it's worth a lot.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#33

Frankly, I am getting tired of this "ideas are worthless, execution is golden" mantra. Of course, "let's build a online shop" idea is useless, but it's not really an idea to begin with. An idea that is worth discussing with others would typically include some minimal validation, an execution and marketing plan and, in general, some amount of thought put into it. Because otherwise it's not an idea, but a random brainf…

If this idea that needs protection can be fully described in just four words, what, in your opinion, has prevented the "established players" from coming up with this idea already?

"A design is not finished when you have nothing left to add. It is finished when you have nothing left to take out."

I'd imagine narrowing the idea down to 4 words took a lot of work.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#34
post #8

I recently turned down a freelancing contract where the client asked me to "kindly keep this confidential". Nothing legal more than this (does it have any legal validity?). The reason why I turned down the job offer is exactly because of this irrational "fear of disclosure". I am not saying that there aren't cases where NDA can come into play. But what I'm trying to mention is that, just like the author of the blog,…

> "kindly keep this confidential"

Turning down freelancing contracts for such silly reasons is not going to go very far unless you are swimming in work.

Really, as such requests go that's about as nicely put as I've seen it, and even if it wasn't said I would think that you would do that anyway, so where is the loss?

Of course you don't go around disclosing the details of the work you do, that would make you absolutely unemployable as a freelancer.

Confidentiality is assumed by default between an employer and an employee, unless you're flipping burgers. Any serious freelancer should take that to heart and if and when you do decide to talk about what's going on at some employer or business relationship please remember that it is a small world and you only get one reputation to mess up.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#35
post #26

This is very anecdotal, so your experiences probably are very different (especially since I'm in Arizona, a lot of people here just aren't nearly as hacker-friendly as the Bay area). Out of the ~15-20 project ideas that people have talked to me about, I've been asked to sign an NDA 4 times. I found something interesting about the people who asked for an NDA: they weren't very good at following up. For most of the oth…

The very request to sign an NDA assumes the idea could be could and executed upon listening to a 15 minute speech about it. This is a clear litmus test that the idea itself is not worth much. Without intrinsic IP or competitive advantages, the wanna-be-preneur resorts to artificial protection measures like the NDA, secrecy and quickly becomes delusional. Requests to sign NDAs are one of the worsts red flags an early…

The question I routinely ask whenever someone tells me about their amazing business scheme is "what is your plan to stop competitors from copying the basic idea and overtaking you?" or "what is to stop the established player in the market expanding their product to include this idea (probably as a check-box option) and making your company irrelevant?"

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#37
When I am asked to sign an NDA or non-compete contract I explain to the client that I understand that their ideas have value, but so does my ability to work once their project is complete. I tell them I will read over their contract but will not sign it unless they agree to pay me 70% of my billing rate for 30 hours per week until the NDA/non-compete expires.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#38

Frankly, I am getting tired of this "ideas are worthless, execution is golden" mantra. Of course, "let's build a online shop" idea is useless, but it's not really an idea to begin with. An idea that is worth discussing with others would typically include some minimal validation, an execution and marketing plan and, in general, some amount of thought put into it. Because otherwise it's not an idea, but a random brainf…

Ideas define execution. In the end, a poorly executed idea is worthless. But so is a bad idea that's executed well.

Because I know someone will point out the number of businesses that were copies of other businesses, I feel it's important to note that most of these weren't "true" copies. For example, you can't really consider facebook to be a true clone of myspace. Clearly Zuckerberg had some original ideas of his own.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#39
I do share the OP's sentiment and have refused my share of NDAs and have lost potential clients.

That said, NDAs are important when protecting one's patent prior to filing. So if you have something novel that you want to patent, be sure to get NDAs before disclosing it.

Re: No I won't sign your NDA, here's why.

#40
post #13

I love this: boy it's true... It’s a well documented phenomenon how idea-havin’ first timers just need a programmer to bring their vision to life, as though the idea is somehow half the battle (or 90%, as folks like me often get offered sweat equity deals–10% seems to be a popular number).

Not exclusive to first timers, I have a friend that for 10+ years shows every 1-2 years with this game changing idea that just needs a 5-10% "just convert this 1-page spec into code" founder.
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