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The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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I agree. I've always hated the twitter-style threads people write. I can't stand it. There are websites that compile a thread into a better reading blog style format however.

That's a good point, at least Twitter has third-party tools like Thread Reader to mitigate this annoyance. I wonder if there is an equivalent for Mastodon?

You can use this unroller: https://unroller.zachmanson.com/

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Everything's possible, but there would be no debate about UI mistakes if it was Iran shooting down a US plane. They would've done because they are evil by nature, or at least perceived as such. In that case the media and the public buys into its own reality, but of course the UI discussion could be a distraction from the public maybe starting to question if that's actually the reality. Also from the Wiki page about t…

It's not really a UX error when your helicopter-carrier invades Iran after one of your helicopters invaded Iran. In wartime. What were these warships even doing in the PERSIAN gulf? And why do they shoot Iranian airplanes in Iranian airspace while they themselves are in Iran?

I image "UX error" wouldn't cut it if a chinese missile cruiser shot down an US airliner while steaming up the Hudson.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Everything's possible, but there would be no debate about UI mistakes if it was Iran shooting down a US plane. They would've done because they are evil by nature, or at least perceived as such. In that case the media and the public buys into its own reality, but of course the UI discussion could be a distraction from the public maybe starting to question if that's actually the reality. Also from the Wiki page about t…

One only has to see the differences between NATO bombing of serbian power stations vs the russians doing the same with Ukraine, or Israel killing children in gaza vs russian killing children vs the US killing afghan or Iraqi children. https://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/25/us/crew-of-cruiser-that-d...

NATO bombing of serbian power stations was done in response of Serbian ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, after the horrible crimes against humanity perpetrated by serbian forces in Bosnia. "russians doing the same" is a blatant lie. What the russians are doing is a genocide.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Everything's possible, but there would be no debate about UI mistakes if it was Iran shooting down a US plane. They would've done because they are evil by nature, or at least perceived as such. In that case the media and the public buys into its own reality, but of course the UI discussion could be a distraction from the public maybe starting to question if that's actually the reality. Also from the Wiki page about t…

A not so subtle difference is that the pilot shooting down KAL 007 identified it as a civilian airliner and proceeded to shoot it down anyway.

Another more subtle difference is that in the Iranian Airlines shootdown, the US took responsibility and at least apologized. Meanwhile the Soviets denied anything happening until they couldn't and then claimed it was a spy plane (legitimate target).

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Everything's possible, but there would be no debate about UI mistakes if it was Iran shooting down a US plane. They would've done because they are evil by nature, or at least perceived as such. In that case the media and the public buys into its own reality, but of course the UI discussion could be a distraction from the public maybe starting to question if that's actually the reality. Also from the Wiki page about t…

Except the Soviets had visual confirmation of the target Vincennes did not (which to be fair should have done - and not excusing their actions here)

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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I first thought this was a post about flat design, then went and read the whole toot. Man, who'd expect UI to be bad enough for life and death operations.

Someone should post more details about the actually confusing UI that lead to this event. Would be a good lesson to most of us.

It also appears that Lockheed won a contract for using this system in 2023 [1]. Can someone share if they actually fixed the UI issues with it recently?

1 - https://news.clearancejobs.com/2023/03/13/lockheed-martin-wi...

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Tl;dr

- some friend/foe “cursor” was not locked to a jet trajectory

- a fighter jet flew through it later, classifying it as a threat

- dashboard shows no altitudes

- identifier reuse led to invalid ascent/descent check

- captain decided it’s a classic attack profile

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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post #37

Pro-tip to those unused to mastodon web-ui: you can click the eye on the top right of the center column (next to Back) to expand all posts at once.

How ironic, a post about a user interface disaster needing an explanatory pro-tip for its UI.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Everything's possible, but there would be no debate about UI mistakes if it was Iran shooting down a US plane. They would've done because they are evil by nature, or at least perceived as such. In that case the media and the public buys into its own reality, but of course the UI discussion could be a distraction from the public maybe starting to question if that's actually the reality. Also from the Wiki page about t…

Also, what was the US navy even doing there? The Persian Gulf is nowhere near the US.

It's as if Iran had their navy parked on the US east coast, it would be seen as an outrage immediately.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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post #24

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Nothing beats concur - the app made so only people with an assistant can file expenses

Nothing beats it, really? Not even the tragedy that cut 290 human lives on which you are commenting?

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